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  1. bclever

    bclever New Member

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    Sorry, I see it now. Missed it before.
     
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    But can a hypothetical answer be correct?

    The way I would look at it is like this: The original phrasing in the question was could it be determined how many were crooked. TECHNICALLY... ignoring any hypotheticals... it CANNOT be determined, because there if you pick out two, and at least one is crooked... then technically speaking, there could be as little as 1 honest man, but possibly more. Technically... it's impossible to determine an exact amount. There can be any number of hypothetical numbers... but can hypotheticals really work?

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

    God... I'm sooooo confused...
     
  3. techneut

    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    It could at best be hypothically correct. But obviously, that is just a hypothesis :lol:

    Yah.. you sound it :p
     
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    And did you ever get the family + thief/police over the river?

    I think you missed my little test I uploaded Chris. Check some pages back. Your should like it.
     
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    juufa72 New Member Piano Society Artist

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    The honest / dishonest politician puzzle is an old one. I heard the answer before but thought nothing of it, since all politicians are dishonest. :wink:
     
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    Juufa, you say that the politician puzzle is an old one? Well, pretty old, I guess. It was I who invented it and published it in my puzzle book: " The Lady or the Tiger?" (Alfred Knopf, 1982)
     
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    juufa72 New Member Piano Society Artist

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    Alright I understand now. And I remember the answer:

    1 Honest and 99 Crooked.
     
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    But how can it be 1 honest and 99 crooked???

    ... life just doesn't make sense.

    My brain is already fried enough from having my midterm exams this week... and I just got demolished by my Astronomy and British Literature midterms... I can't even imagine trying to figure out how this riddle is possible.

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

    ... I'm off to go hide in the corner again :cry:
     
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    I think it is high time that the polition puzzle gets settled! Some of you have already gotten it correctly: We are givn that of the hundred politicians, some were honest and some were crooked, hence there is at least one honest one-- call him Jim. Now pair Jim with any one of the other 99 politions--in this pair, at least one is crooked (which is given), but it isn't Jim, so it must be the other one. This "other one" can be ANY of the 99. hence all of these 99 are crooked!
    Put more simply, to say that of any two, at least one is crooked, is but another way of saying that no two are honest, and hence at most one is honest--or still put otherwise, if two were honest, those two would form a pair in which neither was crooked, violating the given condition that there is no such pair.

    Another puzzle: A boat has a metal ladder coming over the side with six rungs spaced one foot apart. At low tide the water hit the second rung from the bottom. Then the water rose two feet. Which rung did it then hit?
     
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    oh, yay - I know this one. (Raymond, thanks for posting this when I'm awake).
    When the water rises, so does the boat. Hence, the water level stays the same on the ladder= the second rung from the bottom.

    Robert - I gave up on the river quiz, and I can't find my reading glasses to see the answer. :wink: :lol:
     
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    Now now Pianolady....just becareful, haven't you learned a lesson with Smullyan's puzzles? Those who are hasty with answering are usually wrong (or dead lucky).

    With a puzzle the first thing to do is ask a question:

    The puzzle states that the ladder is coming over the boat, that does not necessarily imply that it originates from the boat. The ladder could be driven into the harbor floor serving as a let-off for ships that are too deep to enter any waterways. (usually a smaller boat is tied to the pilon)


    But chances are that you are correct. This is also an old one (just like this puzzle: An electric train is traveling north at 200kph and there is a headwind of 160kph with southerly winds at 15kph, at what speed is the smoke traveling once it leaves the locomotive? :roll: )
     
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    Monica is correct.

    Hehe...an electric train? So no smoke at all unless the brakes are burning :).
     
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    I liked that one about the elecctric train. I never eard it before. I fell for it completely!
    Raymond
     
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    Robert - guess what? I just got the family over the river. Yippee! I wasn't really trying this time and it happened in about 30 seconds. I'm kind of astonished. (and no, I did not cheat.) The little dance they all do at the end is a little weird, isn't it?
     
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    Did it have a pole in it? No? Not interested then. :lol:
     
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    It's to no surprise that you have four kids....man you're like a 13 year old first discovering his father's playboys...when will you settle down :wink:
     
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    Ehh ... maturity is overrated. :p It's just for laughs, juuf.
     
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    Your motto should be this (which I think was coined by Snoopy Peanuts) :

    I may grow older, but I refuse to grow up.
     
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    When I heard the puzzle about the boat, I said that the obvious answer is the fourth rung from the bottom, but it is too obvious to be correct, but I can't see what else it could be! I was then told that the correct answer is that the water hit the same rung (the second from the bottom) because the boat rises with the water!And so pianolady was right.

    Here is another: How are you on arithmetic? Let me test you: In a certain small town, 13 percent of the inhabitants have unlisted phone numbers, and no one has more than one phone. One day a statistician came into the town and took 1300 names at random from the phone book--completely at random! Roughly how many of them would you expect to have unlisted phones?
     
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    None :D
     

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