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Problem with a measure in Chopin's Op. 44

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    Yeah, he says a lot of good stuff about it in that. I won't do the exercises because I hate exercises, though. :lol:

    I was having difficulty earlier bringing out the right hand properly because the piano I was playing on had a muted quality in that range of the instrument, and in the range of the left hand, it's particularly loud. But my teacher complimented me on my voice balancing, and I mentioned to her that I'd first learned that technique from the 10/3 etude, so Cortot recommends a good one for that. :D
     
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    ;)

    If you would like the entire Op. 10 and 25 PDF(s) (they are separate), I'll post them.
     
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    Not unless they're public domain. ;)
     
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    I think they are, but I'll do some research first. ;)

    [edit] Not so sure now, it's the Salabert editon, which is still published AFAIK. I think I'll keep 'em to myself.
     
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    I got the keys to the hall with the Steinways for the weekend, and I practiced till my fingers started to tense up. Haven't done that in a while. 8) I played Chopin lots, and Bach too. Played around with extra suspensions in Bach, and some portato/legato switching. I guess you could call that "exercises" but I will probably keep some extra suspensions in performance, maybe only for repeats, and there's no telling exactly how I'll articulate in performance.
     
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    Now that sounds like a recipe for a good weekend to me. 8)

    Have fun! ;)
     
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    Now I'm angry. There's something wrong with the water in my shower at the dorm I live in - it's coming out dirty - so I might have to go home to my mom's for the weekend. :evil: Just when I've got the keys to the Steinways! My mom has a Yamaha baby grand, and it's nice, though a bit dry...but it's just not the same!
     
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    Or not shower at all. :lol: One might go to any lengths to practice on the good pianos. ;)

    Seriously, plumbing problems suck! :evil:
     
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    The problem has been fixed, apparently. Yay! I was really not looking forward to giving up the Steinways. And I think I will get to that now...
     
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    That's great! Glad to hear it. ;)


    8)
     
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    Would you believe that I went up there, and there was a stupid horn player in the hall, sitting on the Steinway's bench and practicing? hmph...I'll be going back soon. :D

    The measure is getting better, by the way. The one after it, with all the little notes, is near perfect now, and I never thought I'd get there. The chromatic run later in the piece still isn't there yet, but that's because I've barely worked on it at all. It's not as interesting:

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    I've never had to play anything chromatic that fast, so it will just be a matter of repetition.
     
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    Stuff a dirty sock into his bell. :lol:

    Glad it's getting better for you. I love that Etude, one of my favs from either Op 10 or Op 25. Never played it, but I sure love listening. Nothing like repetition to master those tough spots. ;) I've been doing the same with all my pieces. :D
     
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    Her. ;) :lol:
     
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    Oops, my bad. :shock:

    :lol:


    ;)
     
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    So, Terez, did you get any practice on the Steinways without errant horn players butting in? :lol:

    On another note, I here there's supposed to be rough thunderstorms down your way today. Duck and take cover! :shock:
     
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    haha, yes I did get tons of practicing in, but I started practicing other stuff besides that annoying measure. At least I've finally got fingerings I'm happy with for it. That's a good start - now I just need to add speed.

    Because I know we're all bored...

    Been mostly practicing the courante from the Bach e minor partita. It's got some tricky stuff in it that I'm finally almost able to play perfectly. Almost. This is at eighth note = about 144-160 (I think - not good at figuring out tempi in my head, don't pay attention to the numbers on the metronome, and I know I'm just playing it about as fast as it can possibly be played):

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    On that one ^ I'm suspending bottom sixteenth note in the right hand, in the last measure of the first line, and etc. in the next two measures.

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    Trying to suspend the pedal tone somehow in this one - right now, just with a touch of pedal on the downbeats, but I've thought about using the sostenuto pedal. :lol: In the second, third, and fourth measures of the first line, I just hold the descending bassline with my finger while playing the other notes (probably staccato).

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    This one is fun to play, but tricky cause in that last measure on the top line, in the right hand, you have to do some rapid stuff with 4 and 5, and the RH first bit on the second line is STILL vexing me - the change of direction, I think.

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    This is the trickiest bit in the whole piece, but I think I've finally got it down. I'm playing the right hand staccato through this one right now, just to make SURE I've got it, and it will probably be staccato-ish in performance.

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    Same thing in a different key, but I'm suspending the top note of those same measures instead of the bottom one.

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    Same thing in a different key, but this one's harder I think, because of the second measure. And the third.
     
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    Wow. That looks hard. :shock: Glad it's coming together for you, though. ;) Those rhythms in some of those excerpts look downright scary. :lol:
     
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    Meh, the rhythms themselves are easy for me. I played this for a master class the other day, and the lady running told me that I had a "good sense of rhythm" and that most people have a lot of difficulty with this courante because of its syncopations. But the syncopations don't bother me at all. Just the fast bits with awkward fingerings. :?
     
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    Glad to hear it. ;)

    I was mainly kidding. At least they fit together in some way, unlike a polyrhythm. :?
     
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    Yeah, it's not really hard, unless the fingering is awkward. But it is so much fun to play. :D
     

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