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    I knew it went back to Lev Oborin, and Wikipedia provided the rest. Actually the line through my second teacher is intriguing too, and less convoluted: Folke Nauta - Jan Wijn - Alicia de Larrocha - Frank Marshall - Enrique Granados. Time to play more Spanish music again...
     
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    OMG....really??? Ahhhhh!!!
    (i want that lineage ¡!)
     
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    There must be someone in USA who studied with Larrocha. I never realized that Jan Wijn (the doyen of Dutch piano pedagogues) studied with her.
    But this is getting terribly OT now...
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    I meant reading the bios of our teachers. I would never list that in my own bio either. But guess what? I have a similar line of teachers as you: Alexander Djordjevic :arrow: Vitali Margulis :arrow: Scriabin :arrow: Vasily Safonov :arrow: Leschetisky :arrow: Czerny :arrow: Beethoven (and Clementi).
     
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    Has been for a while. I found the sketch of the tree my mom made for our teacher, and it's a little more complicated than I'd remembered (and all three lines were through Czerny - only two through Leschetizky).

    Margaret Shaw-->Edwin Hughes-->Joseffy-->Liszt-->Czerny-->Beethoven-->Haydn etc.
    ''..........................''......................-->Leschetizky-->Czerny, etc.
    ''.....................-->Monetta Stribling Wells-->Ossip Gabrilowitsch-->Leschetizky, etc.

    I don't know the tree for my other teachers, but I'm sure they have pedigree too. :roll: I do know that my current teacher studied with Abbey Simon; there's a rich pedigree there which I am too lazy to research. Another former teacher was a Juilliard grad.
     
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    Well what do you know? Monica and I are related :p ! V. Safonov was my great-grand teacher (through the line of both Lhevinnes, not Scriabin). BTW everyone (Chris are you listening?) anyone who traces back to Czerny and Beethoven, also goes back to JS Bach! Now that's what I'm talking about! Ok one other tidbit. While I was working on my MM degree, I discovered that Beethoven had written a little diddly (Hochzeitslied WoO 105) for the wedding of one Anna Ginastasio del Rio! She was the daughter of the Headmaster that Ludwig placed his nephew under. I have not been able to complete the line in my history since the family came from pre-communist Cuba, but I know it goes back to Spain. Maybe someday :(
     
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    :lol: :lol:


    Neato! I like hearing about this sort of thing.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    OMG, OMG, OMG - Eddy! :shock: I'm freaking out a little - guess what I just heard on Performance Today? They talked about your ancestor except they called her Fanny del Rio. :shock: Supposedly, she had a crush on Beethoven. He was about 45 years old at the time, but didn't return her feelings because he was still in love with the 'mystery' woman. Wow!!!! You can hear it on the hour 2 of today's broadcast at around 41.00.
     
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    That's neat!
    I wish I knew one way or the other! I believe that Fanny was a sister of Anna, both daughters of Headmaster Cajetan Gianastassio del Rio (Vienna).
     
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    Pretty good. And all the spiffing yellow arrows as an added bonus.
     
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    Of course Eddy ! Sitting up and listening, and wagging the tail, actually :p

    Alright, you win.

    Though come to think of it, via my second teacher, I go back to Czerny too, via Jan Wijn, Bela Siki, Erno Dohnaniy, Eugen d'Albert, and Liszt. It's a bit far-fetched as Dohnanyi took only a couple of lessons with d'Albert - I guess he had very little to learn.

    Now to see if anyone can trace back even further than Bach. Fun game, isn't it.
     
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    It's apparently more fun than playing Czerny.
     
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    I had the pleasure of knowing Bela Siki while I was in Cincinnati; a truely fabulous artist!
     
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    "All In The Family!" Looks like we're ALL related: Me, Chris, Eddy, Monica, Terez! :shock:
    Very interesting backgrounds everyone.
    Now, only if we could live up to playing as good as the teachers in our musical lineages. :( (I speak for myself)

    Monica, how many years have you studied with Djordjevic?... He's a great Liszt interpreter; I am surprised that you don't play more Liszt?... I studied with mine for 9 years until 2nd year in college, then reality set in...

    :lol: :lol: That's Classic! (no pun intended)
     
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    lol, you could probably speak for all of us. Now I just wish I could trace my lineage back to Chopin - that's harder to do!
     
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    Get some lessons from Charles Rosen while he's still here. Or find one of his pupils, there must be some.
     
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    I said it before...we are like a little family here. Guess I'm the mom. :lol:

    Anyway, I studied with Alexander for about 3 years. It was recently - my taking lessons again after a long break. You're right about him being a great Liszt interpreter. His last CD was the 2010 recipient of the Hungarian Liszt Society’s 35th Annual Franz Liszt International Grand Prix du Disque. I went with him when he recorded it. Very interesting experience! And I did play a few Liszt pieces while studying with him. But he introduced me to lots of other pieces that I never knew about, plus I was constantly bringing in my own pieces that I wanted him to teach me and so we just never had enough time to play everything....
    I've stopped the lessons currently, but now that I'm comfortable in my new routine, maybe I can start up again. I'd love that! There is still plenty he can teach me!!
     
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    No way! More like the ... mistress :wink:
     
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    More like the Agony Aunt :p
     
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    :lol: :lol: :lol:
     

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