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  1. andrew

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    I used to have variable results re sync, but not recently. I've taken to using Sony Vegas and always rendering to the same file format. I wonder if differing file formats don't always convert equally well to the youtube flv files.
     
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    Hi Pantelis, and thank you! :D

    @Chris and Andrew - I used Sony Vegas on this too and rendered the files as a wmv (or something like that). There are four cuts in each video and some of the sections I was able to sync up better than other sections. The ones that are dead-on are of course good on my computer and the sections that are not perfect are only slightly off on my computer so that's why I thought everything was all good. But these 'imperfect' sections are somehow exaggerated on Youbute....grrrr. :x Now I'm wondering if I should redo everything - I still have all the video sections/parts.... What would you guys do if you were me?
     
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    Leave it :D
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Ohhhhh.....I was going to leave it, but I just watched it again and it's really bugging me. I'm going to fiddle around with it again throughout the week...
     
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    It did not bother me so much. But I watched them only once :)
     
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    I'd leave it also. Anything that's out is probably far more obvious to you than anyone else, and people don't watch videos trying to spot these things.
     
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    I have read a bit about that program on the internet and I have to say, it seems very professional, I think, it´s comparable with Adobe Premiere Pro. So, have my congratulations to that splendid program. I have read, one can also edit 3d-videos with it. That´s very interesting for me, because I have purchased a 3d-camera. (But the whole technic still is in the beginning of its development.)

    As I said you have done a pretty good job here. But the audio-files are not perfectly synchronized at some places. For this, I think, you will need a special audio-editing-program, in which you can overlay the two audio-tracks and correct the accord of some chords and tones of both tracks together. That´s what I do with the audio-montage-function of WaveLab. After you have synchronized the two audio-files you should synchronize the new track (the result of the two synchronized audio-files) with the videos. But the first step has always to be the synchronization of the only audio-files.
    Btw, I don´t suppose, that YouTube has falsified the synchronization (though this can´t be absolutely excluded). In earlier times I also thought that sometimes, but later I found out, that the (more or less) bad synchronization in these cases was my own fault.

    Yes, these pieces are nice, not too deep, but entertaining in the best sense of that word.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    I've watched the videos probably a hundred times....

    I dunno...I'm still bugged by this.

    Also, I wonder if people see the video on Youtube differently. Like does it play for everybody the same way? I tried watching it on my cell phone yesterday and you should have seen how out of sync it was. Really quite laughable! But could it be that bad for other people too?

    That's neat! Although I don't think I could handle having to edit yet another dimension...haha.

    Regarding the audio sync: I usually edit my music files in Adobe Audition and have no problem. This time, however, I imported both audio files (multi-tracks) but had a problem cutting off the beginning of the audio files and then dragging the file over to the left-hand side - the new start place. Very frustrating - I must have wasted a whole day on trying to figure out how to do it. So I gave up and did all the audio syncing in Sony Vegas, which really does all the same things that Audition does, plus I could drag the files around more easily.

    Now I'm wondering about another thing: Do audio files play the same way for everybody? Meaning, does the computer, Internet connection, device or whatever, alter the way audio files play for people? For me, on my computer, the audio files sounded pretty well in-sync, but seems like it's not for you and some other people here.
     
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    Monica,

    A way to test if the problem is due to the YouTube and/or the internet connection is to download it from YouTube (YouTube downloader is a program that will do it, as will RealPlayer). If the downloaded file is fine, then it would seem that it has to do with the connection.

    Scott
     
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    That's a good idea! Thanks, Scott.
     
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    Yes, seems, that I´m the dangerous man from the other dimension! :lol: But seriously now: I´m really enthused by 3d-fotos and -films. With my Fuji Real 3d W3 I can make fotos and videos in 3d and I can watch them them on my Panasonic TV (with 3d-glasses). These fotos are so real memorials, it´s fantastic. I´m looking now, if it´s possible to post 3d-videos on YouTube and to watch them in 3d with glasses. May be one nice day I can make my first piano-video in 3d.

    I see now, that you have had some difficulties and if the Sony Vegas does it in a better way, why not use it, of course.

    I could imagine, that the speed of the internet connection could make a video out of sync, but I´m no expert concerning these matters. I suppose, prinicipally it could be possible, that these technical conditions could change the files. I also think, the idea of Scott is a good one. I will try to download your video with RealPlayer and see, if something has changed.
     
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    o.k., I have done it. Seems that the video (March no. 1) downloaded with Real Player is a bit out of sync like the one on YouTube. So, I suppose it´s in the original and not falsified by the "technique". There still are some small places, the synchronization isn´t perfect. But may be that´s nitpicking now (which we love to do here so much :lol: ). So, please, don´t care about remarks, if you think, they are not important. That would be al right, of course.
     
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    I'm also not an expert on this sort of technical problem, but I could believe that not all audio or video codecs respond equally well to the youtube conversion process. I used to use Windows Movie Maker, and found some problems with sound distortion under certain circumstances.
     
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    Hi Monica, Chris, and George,

    Who knew that Granados composed military marches? They're both high spirited and charming too--fine playing all around. Monica, you really worked magic to get everything so coordinated and in synch. (Nothing is ever perfect, but it was all perfect enough for me. :)) The special effects were great too. Very entertaining!

    David
     
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    Thanks everyone for the great comments. There are some newcomers with whom I hope to make their acquaintance soon... :D

    Sarah, how's the recorder working out?... Pantelis, how's the photography and jazz going?... I'll be going to Greece in 2012... Chris, are you still recording on the organ?... David, keep your ears open for those buoys - I'll be getting the sailboat ready in 3 weeks on Cape Cod!...

    Monica, Andreas is right. I think it's an audio synching issue in certain areas. Monica, why don't you send me an audio file of YOUR tracks. Otherwise you'll go crazy. :p I'll see where and whose part needs editing. Remember, I re-recorded my part after a 12hr work day, so it's probably me that's off?! Let's see if we can fix this. I am starting to practice again after a few years... I am taking care of unfinished business - pieces that were started, but never completed so long ago in a galaxy, far, far away... :p

    Andreas, you must have version 6 or later - My version of WaveLab 5 doesn't allow for multitracks, otherwise it would be much easier to add markers, time stretch/compress to make everything fit, and then mix everything down to two tracks. I wonder if WaveLab 7 is just as easy?... I have Cakewalk Sonar 6 and Logic Pro 8, but they're very cumbersome for editing individual tracks.

    Anyone wishing to do videos, Sony Vegas Pro 10 is great software, thanks to Monica's advice - much easier to use than Final Cut which is Apple based.
     
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    My internet is out again. I'll write to you guys tomorrow when I'm at work. I'm using my cell phone now....
     
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    George, it's been a while. Congratulations for this recording. I really enjoyed the video and your sound was superb.

    I'm afraid jazz is a little left behind nowadays. Too much work, too little time. Photographically, I'm in a better shape though. Last month I was in Venice (for the Rigoletto at La Fenice) and I took some pictures. By the way, I'll be in Hofleur (Normandie) for the Easter week. I don't know if anyone else from PS will be there. It would be nice to meet. Watch out, as I plan to take many pictures from Satie's house.
     
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    His house must have a very good view :p
     
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    Last night I started re-editing the Marcha 2 - for some reason, that one was harder to sync - probably because 'somebody' wore the wrong shirt (not me...haha). Anyway, I've also been reading up on syncing audio and video files and now I'd like to try out some new programs. George - I'm not quite ready to give up the ship yet. But if I do not make any substantial improvements, I'll send you my files. I just need a little time - I don't have to work tomorrow, so maybe I can make good progress in the upcoming days.

    p.s. Thanks, David. :)
     
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    Thanks for asking... it's going great! :D Been spending as much time as I can with it between piano and classwork. Our little recorder ensemble plans to have a concert this fall, and we're enjoying practicing Bach for that.

    Good to see you around here again!! Seems like you have some exciting things planned on your end... sailing on Cape Cod and a trip to the Mediterranean sound fantastic, as does being able to get back into playing again. I bet it's a great feeling to have a little time at the keyboard. :D
     

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