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The topic of 'judging'/'evaluating' pianists' playing

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  1. hanysz

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    I think competition judges have a responsibility to strive for the sort of objectivity that says "I don't enjoy music by composer X, but I can still tell the difference between a good and bad performance of their work" as opposed to "contestant A played a piece by my least favourite composer X so I won't let them through to the next round." Or "I personally never use the pedal when playing Bach, but I acknowledge that some very good pianists do so and this contestant did it tastefully" as opposed to "They used the pedal in Bach so they are automatically eliminated." And so on.
     
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    IMHO, the definition of what constitutes a mathematical proof is also not objective (though probably not political). I remember reading lengthy proofs which are peppered with expressions like "therefore", "hence", "it is clear that", "obviously", "clearly", and so on. These steps can be quite big sometimes, and it can be a leap of faith to follow them. So I am always a bit skeptical whenever something has been "proven". Especially when it is something really arcane like proving that something is unprovable. Maybe things like that had better be postulated as axioms :D
     
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    That, certainly, is an axiom. Or else prove it :mrgreen:
     
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    I'm thinking (which is always a dangerous thing to do):
    If anything is knowable, then something is objective.
    If nothing is knowable with certainty, then it is not possible to say "There is no objectivity," because that statement is a universal claiming knowledge, and is self-refuting.

    Le philisophe. Eddy du Fleuve
     
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    Ah, but you must bear in mind that words like "obviously" and "clearly" don't mean the same thing to mathematicians as they do to non-mathematicians. "Clearly X" to a mathematician means something like "I don't feel like demonstrating/proving X right now, but feel free to verify it yourself if you don't believe me". It's like "left as an exercise to the reader". The implication of course being that if it isn't clear to you, you have no business reading the paper. :)

    It's like the joke about the mathematics professor giving a lecture. He writes "it is obvious that X" on the board. Then he goes quiet. He stares at the board in silence for a few minutes, then vanishes into a back room. Half an hour later he returns, says "Yes. It is obvious." and carries on where he left off.
     
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    Now he tells me :roll:

    :lol:
    As this thread has so spectacularly and irrevocably gone OT, I may as well post this splendid joke from "Why Teachers Drink".
     
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    Chris and Felipe,
    Are you guys Real or Imaginary? :wink:
     
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    That would be too easy... Complex, of course :p
     
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    Did you already know Pigs in Maputo?

    it's a friend of mine who writes them! in fact, she writes down her life and what happens to her. hehe
     
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    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Nope, but I went to see all the cartoons on this site right away. They're very funny indeed :lol:

    You have some nice and talented friends :wink:
     
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    Speaking of pigs:
    [​IMG]

    I laughed until I cried when I first read this. Helps to read it out loud. :mrgreen:
     
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    Pigs... :oops: I mean, pigs and/or sows... :? I mean, sows and/or pigs have wings. Sorry for any offense if my order of words is not PC enough.

    :oops:
     
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    Haha, I don't think I have ever seen a thread go so wildly OT as this one. And I've seen some :D
    This is not allowed on many other forums but here in PS, we thrive on it.
    Can't even remember what it originally was about... something boring about piano maybe ?
     
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    It was about pig-headed judges. Sorry, I mean sow-headed judges. :oops: About sow/pig-headed judges.
     
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    Eh, never mind judges. Time for another pig joke :!: Although this one isn't really one, but I had to laugh about it.

     
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    Wait . . . I thought it was about thirty-thousand . . . I mean, thirty sows and . . . pigs! ;)
     
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    This is so OT now that I'll just throw this in for the pig-lovers. You must say this outloud or you won't get it:

    M R Pigs

    M R Not
    L I B, M R Pigs
    :roll:
     

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