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  1. schmonz

    schmonz Amitai Schleier Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    +2 to Chris (I happen to know that you meant #27 instead of #25). Nicely done!

    +1 to Nicole (unofficial) for titillating commentary!

    Reminder: Chris was right when he said that #19 must be Kapustin.

    Clue: there is more Alkan yet to be identified.

    Clue: it so happens that the composer of every piece whose number is evenly divisible by 3 is Medtner.
     
  2. PJF

    PJF New Member Piano Society Artist

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    I've been meaning to do more listening (and I'm glad to hear of your increase in playing)...thank God we've got plenty of time, being only 28 and 27! :lol:

    Drop hints at your discretion but don't give the answers too soon. If the scores are really close, wait longer and if there's a decisive winner, less. Three to seven days between the last correct response and the revealing of answers, maybe? I don't know; it's entirely up to you.

    Chris is close!

    Pete
     
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    Oops yes of course. I have a way with numbers.
    +1 to Nicole (unofficial) for titillating commentary!

    That surely must be the one I thought was Schumann or Mendelssohn. It could be one of his Esquisses, but I thought I knew all of these and yet did not recognize this piece. Must check tonight.

    Hm, I did not flag 3 and 18 as Medtner. Gotta listen again tonight and dig out my Medtner books. We should rename this "The Medtner Quiz" :lol:
     
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    I've identified #6, it's Medtner's - Sonate Orageuse Op. 53 No.2. Can't identify the other Medtners (3 and 18) nor any other Alkan (I think it might be 22 but no idea what). So this is it for me.
     
  5. schmonz

    schmonz Amitai Schleier Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Right on the nose! It's the furious climax of this furious sonata (which I know as "Minacciosa", though I've heard the French also), whose very modern sound shows that even the monk-like Medtner was not impervious to the sounds his contemporaries were making. Of course, in his inimitable style, he then goes and pairs it with the deliberately provocatively titled "Sonata Romantica." Off the top of my head, a few other cases where outside cultural influences found their way into Medtner's music: the Op. 26 #3 Skazka has some jazz-inspired chord progressions (though they're not written at all jazzily), and Op. 38 #2 and Op. 54 #6 are ragtime in everything but name. Doubtless there are other examples. Someday I'll do a full writeup. :)

    Let's summarize what we know about the remaining pieces, and throw in a few hints:

    1 is by a European fellow who shared some aesthetic sympathies with Medtner (I believe they met, or at least corresponded by letter), though this guy wrote rather more floridly. Extremely colorful and detailed figurations.
    3 is Medtner. But which piece?
    4 is by an American fellow. Don't know too much about him but it's not surprising that this piece is from the 1920s.
    8 is Alkan. Which?
    10 is by an Australian who later became a music educator in New York.
    13 is by a Russian contemporary of Medtner's who similarly had a rough go of things due to politics and a so-called outdated Romantic idiom. This guy is not in the same league but wrote charming works which deserve to be heard. I've seen his name mentioned on the forum before.
    14 is by a gent who wrote intricate polyphonic music, both original and derivative works. Some of the latter have been criticized as disrespectful to the originals, but are increasingly appreciated by connoisseurs.
    18 is Medtner (from an opus mentioned in this post). Which?
    19 is Kapustin. Which?
    20 is by an American who later became a music educator in New York.
    22 is indeed Alkan. Which?
    23 is by a Russian fellow esteemed for his otherworldly playing of Scriabin and Bach and loved for his teaching.
    25 is by a rare Russian fellow who liked Wagner.
    26 is by an Eastern European admirer of Brahms. His grandson is a highly regarded conductor.
     
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    juufa72 New Member Piano Society Artist

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    #25 Lyapunov?
     
  7. Anonymous

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    Lyrisch Fragment op.23 nr.2

    Prelude op.31 nr.14

    Grainger: cakewalk Smasher (from Cook's "In Dahomay")

    Godowsky: Spieldose (from Triakontameron)

    Bagatella op.59 nr.9

    Nocturne op.22

    Dohnanyi: Piano Concerto op.5

    Too sleepy to keep up searching.
    Going to bed now, goodnight to this side of Piano Society and good morning to the other one.

    alf

    Btw, thank you for digging up this stuff. How much good music around covered with dust!
     
  8. schmonz

    schmonz Amitai Schleier Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    coccobill gets 3, 10, 14, 19, 22. Extremely close on 8 as well. Maybe we have different numberings or something. 26 is indeed a Dohnányi concerto but not the fifth (I don't think he wrote that many).

    That's 5 (very nearly 6). Well done!
     
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    I give up. This is getting MUCH too difficult and specialistic. Bit of a private joke between you and me because of all the Medtner.
     
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    That's weird! Isn't that "Le Temps qui n'est plus" from the 25 Preludes op.31? On my score it gets number 14. :?

    It's not the fifth, it is the first, in e minor (opus 5, as I wrote). :)

    cheers,
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  11. PJF

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    I agree about the over-specificity of the questions. Whoever wins the round could add variety. There's no harm in mixing up the questions a bit. Think "Jeopardy".

    I'm glad I was introduced to this 'Medtner'; his style is highly original.

    Pete
     
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    schmonz Amitai Schleier Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Good guess, no cigar.
     
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    schmonz Amitai Schleier Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    That's the one. My Jack Gibbons recording says #12 but you may well be right. And I misread your Dohnányi answer. +2, then, bringing you to 7. techneut's lead is in danger!
     
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    schmonz Amitai Schleier Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Oh, I dunno. Someone else recognized him too. I agree with Pete that whoever does the next batch can and should take a different tack, and it was precisely due to that assumption that I chose the kind of stuff I did. For some people my choices, which are fairly representative of my quotidian musical diet, will be obscure and difficult; I recognize that. The next person's choices may be obscure and difficult for me. I certainly hope so. :) In the long run, we'll all widen our listening horizons. And that's why we're playing this game, right?
     
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    Still can't figure it out
     
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    PJF New Member Piano Society Artist

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    Expanding horizons is good, yes.

    P
     
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    I don't think so, in fact this is actually the best I can do (and with plenty of help). Chris is going to win this round. :cry:
     
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    Can we start a new game now?
     
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    I agree. These were impossible, and biased to a few composers. A better game would be more familiar pieces (but not obvious like Chopin's preludes or Beethoven's Sonatas), and samples taken from a broader pool of composers.

    I think that the game of Jeopardy is easier than this.
     
  20. schmonz

    schmonz Amitai Schleier Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    The unidentified pieces are:

    01 Marx: Romantic Piano Concerto (3rd mvt)
    04 Confrey: Kitten on the Keys
    13 Bortkiewicz: The Princess and the Pea
    18 Medtner: Hymn (from Romantic Sketches for the Young, Op. 54)
    20 MacDowell D minor Concerto (1st mvt)
    23 Feinberg: Berceuse Op. 19a
    25 Catoire: Prelude Op. 34 #3

    Impressive work, Piano Societans! Thanks for playing. The winner of this round, and the arbiter of the next, is techneut.
     

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