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Streuff - Six Late Intermezzi, 1-3

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    intermezzi 1-3

    Dear Chris,, What a surprise although I knew you would do it. THANK YOU, I agree to 98 % to your choice of tempo, dynamics, and emotional interpretation. There are a few bars to which I would like to comment,though:
    INTERMEZZO I
    bar 19. did you swallow the last eighth g-sharp'?
    bar 23: the first chord should sound a bit stronger
    bar 31: d-sharp '''' is not there
    bars 29-31 cancell piano + pp and maintain mf
    bars 53/54: f' and e' in the left hand could be a bit clearer and stronger
    INTERMEZZO II
    bar 34: It's difficult to keep g-sharp with the thumb so that it sounds
    bar 31:
    bars35-37: similar problem
    bars 50-55: ornaments nicely and clearly fulfilled.
    bar 73: first chord could have a bit more sound, neglect pp
    no more comments here
    INTERMEZZO III
    bar 14: last two eightths e'''' + c'''' shoul be mf with a clear sound
    bars 31/32: straight trills with no ornament
    bars 33/34: no ritardando
    bar 42: third f_sharp + a should sound abit stronger

    bars 53-74 very well done! though tempo might be somewhat faster, which is easier said than done because of the impossible left hand.
    bars 17-19 two against three should have more profile
    bar 26: f-sharp''' is not there

    no more comment, except WELL DONE! and THANK YOU
    it was a wonderful experience to me. best wishes asusual- francois.-
     
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    I'm glad you like them Francois. I know there's a couple of mistakes and I'll check them against the things you pointed out. Maybe I will re-record these as I often do after constructive feedback.
    Surely the following two will cost me a bit more work :D
     
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    3 intermezzi

    Dear Chris, Here I am again. I listened to the intermezzi on Sunday and was delighted. THen I tried a hundred times to contact you- in vain. The P S-shop was closed. Was it because of maintainance?
    I try to be quiet, although it touched my nerves. Now everything runs as usual The world is in good order again. We should not be too dependant of our habits. My wife is cross with me when these things happen. She never gives up trying to educate me. :cry: :lol: She needs a windmill to fight against like DON QUI CHOTE.
     
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    Re: 3 intermezzi

    Haha, it says that, yes. But it was a technical problem which we have not really sorted out yet.

    For sure, it is frustrating when PS goes down. Even though it gives us an opportunity to do something else - not wholly a bad thing during such a lovely long weekend :wink:
    I'll try tonight to find out what caused the problem. Sometimes though, these things just happen.
     
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    Bravo, Chris, these are very well played. Very musically and expressively, all three little gems and masterworks from my view. If the "great line" and the mind of the music is right and somehow congenial to that, what have might been the composers intention, little flaws are no problem for me personal. It´s like a great orator does a slip of tongue and no one really cares about it. Really, your interpretations are full of nice and subtle details!
    (But, of course, re-recordings, which care about the remarks of Franz, would be constructive and in the sense of the composer, I think. :wink: )

    Thank you very much for these great recordings!
     
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    Re: intermezzi 1-3

    You have laid bare all the flaws here Francois ! Some I knew, and some new ones. I'll certainly have to redo these now. Let's discuss your remarks.

    > INTERMEZZO I
    > bar 19. did you swallow the last eighth g-sharp'?

    Not quite but I played a glaring wrong note there, which I should not have left in.

    > bar 23: the first chord should sound a bit stronger

    Yes, that chord came out pretty lame.

    > bar 31: d-sharp '''' is not there

    I can't hear anything wrong in bar 31. The top note is there, pianissimo as indicated. But in bar 30 I play f double-sharp instead of g double sharp, that needs to be corrected.

    > bars 29-31 cancell piano + pp and maintain mf

    You mean ignore the dynamics here and keep mf from bar 29 to 31 ? I think that would be a shame. But you're the boss :lol:

    > bars 53/54: f' and e' in the left hand could be a bit clearer and stronger

    Yea I suppose they could.

    > INTERMEZZO II
    > bar 34: It's difficult to keep g-sharp with the thumb so that it sounds

    Yes, your writing is not very practical here. I had to compromise. Bars 34 and 35 can be done with a clever fingering, which I will do, but in 36 and 37 you are asking the impossible - I have no Rachmaninov hands.

    > bar 31:
    > bars35-37: similar problem

    Yes, as well as some ugly wrong notes there.

    > bars 50-55: ornaments nicely and clearly fulfilled.

    Thanks. I think I even played an extra note in the last. Sounds schmalzy, does it not !

    > bar 73: first chord could have a bit more sound, neglect pp

    Ok....

    >INTERMEZZO III
    > bar 14: last two eightths e'''' + c'''' shoul be mf with a clear sound

    Yea they are a bit weak here.

    > bars 31/32: straight trills with no ornament

    Hm... as a Bach man, I think they sound better with a nachschlag. Can't I leave them in ?

    > bars 33/34: no ritardando

    Ok.... if you say so !

    > bar 42: third f_sharp + a should sound abit stronger

    Yes.

    > bars 53-74 very well done! though tempo might be somewhat faster, which is easier said than done because of the impossible left hand.

    Tell the truth, I was not quite confident here, and fumbled a bit. This part could do with more practice.

    > bars 17-19 two against three should have more profile

    I though I did them right, but listening back, I agree with you.

    > bar 26: f-sharp''' is not there

    Yes it is ! Quite clearly. I guess your hearing is a bit less in the high frequencies (as is mine, a little bit, it's an age thing). But it could be a bit stronger.

    > no more comment, except WELL DONE! and THANK YOU
    > it was a wonderful experience to me.

    I am glad for that :D Hopefully the next versions will be quite perfect. These apparently simple pieces are easy to underestimate. But it will be no great hardship to re-record them.
     
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    Haha, great recordings they are not. Sympathetic, maybe, and workmanlike. As usual I was too hasty in committing to record. The flaws must vanish, of course, in Streff as well as in Bach :wink:

    Yes these are nice pieces, despite one or two weak moments, and a couple of harmonic progressions that sound a bit naive to me. They seem to be stuck in my head more than I thought they would ! The music grows on you, as they say. To me, there's a lot of the young Richard Strauss here.
     
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    3 of 6 intermezzi

    Dear Chris, on principle I am not the type of piece-writer who insists on the strict fulfilment of every fart that emerged from his important spirit. It depends on how much the music is hurt by a wrong note. I would like to punish a pianist for a wrong note in the slow movement of Beethoven's piano concerto Nr.4 in G-major. But in pieces far below the quality of this movement a slight slip can be tolerated.
    INTERMEZZO I
    bar 13: did you play a' instead of a-sharp in the left hand?
    bar 26:the bass chord doesnn't sound either
    bar 31: I cannot perceive d-sharp ''''
    bar 30 g-double
    sharp is correct. If you maitain mezzoforte, I think it is O.K.
    Intermezzo II
    bar 35: You can keep the thumb if you use this fingering:2-3-4-2-3-4
    bar 36: 5-2-3-4-5-4-5-4-5 and leave off thumb beyond octave
    bar 37: left hand b+f-sharp and shortly after d-sharp +f-sharp''
    bars 60-63: straight trills, no ornament .However I believe in creative interpretation.
    no more grousing!
    INTERMEZZO III
    bar 55: nothing wrong
    bar 1: repetition after bar 68 I find piano quite exciting
    bars 13-16: mezzoforte throughout. ALSO SPRACH ZARATHUSTRA :lol: :lol:
     
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    Re: 3 of 6 intermezzi

    I like your modesty. However slips can't really be tolerated unless in pieces that are really hard and/or long.

    Yes, and I meant to play A# because Andreas had written that in ( I assume his corrections are sanctioned by you).

    I don't hear anything missing in bar 26.

    THis is your hearing, definitely ! But as I'll keep this mf next time, it should not be a problem.

    Ok !

    Yes, I'll do that next time.

    That's another way of playing it. I prefer taking the F# with the RH though.

    Well I'll try them straight, see what I like better :wink:


    Whoa, an error-free bar, I am making progress :lol:

    A good idea.

    Haha :lol:
    And what about the cresc. in bar 15 - ignore it ?
     

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