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Schubert, Winterreise, D911, Nr.5, 17, 24

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    Here are three more Lieder of the "Winterreise" by Schubert on the way to the completion of the complete cycle.
    Comments are appreciated, of course! :)

    Schubert-D911-5-Pfaul-Schönfelder.mp3
    Schubert-D911-17-Pfaul-Schönfelder.mp3
    Schubert-D911-24-Pfaul-Schönfelder.mp3

    Here are the links to the videos on my YouTube-channel, audio-tracks are the same as in the mp3-files (like always):
    (Schubert, D911, Nr. 5, Der Lindenbaum)
    (Schubert, D911, Nr. 17, Im Dorfe)
    (Schubert, D911, Nr. 24, Der Leiermann)
     

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    These sound good to my ears. The piano is not intrusive but well-balanced vis-a-vis the singer. I thought the last item worked particularly well: it's not a song I've heard before, but the melancholic tinge was well communicated by both of you.
     
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    Thank you very much, Andrew, for your encouraging feedback! :) The last Lied is the "Organ Grinder" (german: Der Leiermann), it tells the story of a poor organ grinder lost in the winter. It´s very sad and melancholic, expressing the monotony and senselessness of life. I´m glad you like it!
     
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    These are up! I have created a sub-page for the "Winterreise" to the Schubert-page.
     
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    Hi Andreas,

    the balance between piano and voice sounds much better to me here. I know and love especially Der Leierman in this cycle: your performance is nice but I miss some espressivity. For instance, at the end I would expect more weight in 'Wunderlicher Alter, soll ich mit dir geh’n?' (Strange old man, shall I go with you?), a kind of existential question. In the introduction, did you consider to have dissonance by a bit of overlap between the first note ant the following chord ? It is reminiscent to me of the' Leier' (organ-grinder) sound. ( I did not do it in my own recording because it is difficult to get the right amount of dissonance: enough but not too much. ;) )
     
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    I´m very happy you say this. I have made some more experiments of mixing to reach that, so I think, I have found a way. :)

    O.k., we already have made a quite big crescendo there, but may be we could do also more emphasis?! I will consider that, thank you very much for your advice! And I will also think about some other places to do more expression. Though I was a bit spare with expression here and there, because I thought, that a real "Leier" sounds also quite non-expressive and monoton. I think, when we will have finished the cycle we could eventually do some re-recordings. But in the moment we are quite ambitious and would like to come through all the 24 Lieder. I´m already working on no. 12 and 13 at this time. But, continue with your advices, please, I will keep them in mind and re-read them here!

    That´s a very interesting inspiration, I will experiment on this a bit. I also will listen to your recording again.
     
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    @Didier:
    I just have listened to your recording of the "Leiermann":
    Yes, I can not hear any "overlapping" between the grace note and the fifth, you do seperate them very clearly, as you say.
    It´s interesting how you bring out the voice of the singer at the end at "Wunderlicher Alter, soll ich mit dir gehn?" and you do quite a lot of rubato and emphasis there. I like that! It´s a good idea! And bravo for this excellent voicing at the end!
    I miss the topic in AR where you have posted it, I could only find it on the main-page. But probably that´s because the update process of AR isn´t finished yet.
     
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    I meant expressive weight, which may be given by a crescendo or by another way: listen to DFD (and Brendel for the piano introduction) at

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    Whatever you do, I need to feel that something important is at stake in this question.
     
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    Thanks, Didier, I knew that recording by DFD. Yes, it´s a good advice, thank you! :)
     
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