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Schubert - Moments musicaux - No. 3, allegretto moderato

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  1. techneut

    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    This is really something that you need to work on structurally. I still recommend playing Bach (but I'd do that anyway, as matter of principle :wink: )

    I did not compare with the recording on the site, but if you believe the new one to be better, I will replace it.
     
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    Didier Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Yes I believe my last version (schubert-94-3-brest_8.mp3 ) put in my previous post is the best one and significantly better than the one currently on the site, not only because of a better sound.
    Thank you.
     
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    Ok, it's been replaced again.
     
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    Hi Didier!
    I´m back from vancancies and the first thing I do on PS is to listen to your record, because I always like your sensitive playing and the excellent sound-quality of your records. So it is in this case again a fine playing and I have the feeling to stand directly beside your piano, so direct and clear is the sound.
    I don´t know if I help you, because probably you have finished to practice this piece now, but I would like to give you some tips, may be you will retake the work on this little nice piece one day again:
    At some places there are rhythmical problems and some notes seem to be nearly or sometimes totally inaudible. F. ex. at the begining there is too few of the c1 audible, in bar 6 the rhythm is not eve enough, in bar 9 the thirds are not really audible for me, in bar 14 you should play the chords in the left hand completely and mor clearly and audibly, in bar 25 in the sixth there are missing some of the deeper notes.
    In the part from bar 1-26 is missing sometimes rhythmical precision, in the part from bar 27 until to the end this becomes better, so we see that you are able to play more eve!
    Very nice the ppp in bar 39, which is really audible. This is not so easy, bravo! Nice also the ritardando in the little epilogue.
    More important than to practice with metronome is IMO to feel the pulse of the piece inside (the metronome can only be a first help for this). The best composer to practice this is Bach from my view, but of course one can learn it also on this Schubert-piece.
    I hope, I could help you a bit, you have really talent!
     
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    Hi Andreas,

    I hope that your vacation period was good and that you let some sun for those people like me who will take their vacations only in August. Thank you for your so kind words and much valuable advices. This piece is technically difficult to me, especially bars 7, 16 and 25. I am still practising it but will not propose a new recording before one year or so.
     
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    Hi Didier,
    I think, this has improved a lot. There are still some problems of (rhythmical) flow: so in bar 9 you have problems with the thirds, the deeper note of the thirds is sometimes not audible. In bar 17 the the sixteenth are not eve enough. It seems to stumble here and there a bit (f.ex. in bar 13 before the grace-note. From bar 35 to the end it sounds more flowing.
    My advice is the following: try to get relaxed in the wrists (and whole body and hand). If you like, you could first practice the left hand until it´s totally eve, and then you take the right hand with it. Difficult bars like 9 or 17 you could practice in a "serie", first begining slow, later becoming faster.

    But in summary it´s a very nice recording. I enjoy your sensitive playing and the fabolous sound-quality. You bring out the subtle dynamics at the end (bar 35 ff.) very well!
     
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    Just a thought - maybe a silly one. I wonder if it would help to leave out all the double notes for a while when practising. Like in the beginning, leave out the lower notes so as only to have the melody. Maybe that would help in smoothing out the rhythmic issues as you'd need to concentrate on only one thing instead of two. Maybe worth a try ? This piece is hard enough as it is.
     
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    Hello,

    thank you Andreas and Chris for your listening and your reports.

    Andreas, I do think exactly the same. :D

    The fact that is has improved significantly makes me confident that I will at some time (well if God wants.. :roll: ) play this really well, for my judgement at least. As it is, I find my performance rather enjoyable (for me :wink: ), despite still much improvable. Yes bars 9 and 19 are tricky. You certainly forget to mention also bar 24 where my play is a bit fuzzy.

    Oh yes! I did not realize that, but it is a so small hesitation. I'm not sure that I can do that better. Radu Lupu in his famous Decca recording (my preferred version of the Moments musicaux) does not play the grace note and Vladimir Horowitz in his last concerts in Vienne and Hamburg replace the final 16th of bar 12 and the initial grace note of bar 13 by two 32nds (which sounds very nice, he takes also some freedom with respect to the text at the end but this is an immense interpretation by an immense artist). So I may well stumble a bit for playing what is written, don't you think so? :wink:

    Yes I already played like this some parts but I lack discipline (and may be a teacher) to persevere in this working method.
    Chris, would you be so kind for once again updating my recording on the site ? I commit not to propose a new recording of this piece before six months and before having a new piece accepted. That's fair, is'nt it? :wink:
     
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    Haha, I heard that before :wink:
    It has been replaced.
     
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    Chris, the link here above is the old version.The new one is much better. Shall I repost it ?
     
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    Hm, strange. There is only one version on the site. I thought I'd replaced it. Can you email me the latest mp3 then I'll redo it and double-check.
     
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    :shock: Now, that is the right one. Did you change something ? Or may there be some delay between your change order and the change being effective on the site ?
     
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    None of the above :D
    What I think happened is that your browser was serving up a cached version of the mp3. They do that kind of tricks. Always helps to remove your temporary internet files in cases like this.
     
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    I’m sorry to say this, Didier, but your rhythm is still sort of erratic – mostly in the section beginning at bar 19. Also, some top RH notes in the beginning do not come out strong enough. That or I just hear too much of the bottom RH notes. I have done what you asked and replaced this because the actual sound is better than your previous version. However, the quality of playing is not much better. Also, I hear an editing clip around 1:16 and then there is a strange volume change at 1:43. How did that happen?
     
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    Hi Monica,

    I just listened again the new and the previous versions. The new may be not that much better, but it is better for me at least in the second and third themes. I noticed also the strange sound change on the last chord. I think that I put on the pedal too late after having hit the chord... :?

    I checked what happens at 1'16". I did not hear first anything. I checked again several times using very accurate earphones. There is indeed a barely audible clic on left channel at 1'17''. Yes it's an edit point: I put the second playing -how do you say that in English ? We say reprise in French- of the first theme from a second recording. I'am confused and much impressed by your listening accuracy. I'll certainly will do it better on next time. :wink:

    Thank you very much,

    Didier
     
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    Ok, the editing clip is less obvious now and that final chord thing is fixed. If you send me a photo of yourself, I will replace this. :wink: :lol:
     
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    My photo, only for you. :)
     

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