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Schubert - Moments musicaux - No. 3, allegretto moderato

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  1. Didier

    Didier Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Hello,

    I am pleased to propose to you the third moment musical from Schubert. Moments musicaux, that's French: one says one 'moment musical' and six 'moments musicaux', pronounce moman muziko. :wink:
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    Schubert - Moments Musical Op. 94, No. 3
     
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    Your audio quality is very good, but I think you could practise a bit more on this piece... Left and right hand are not always synchronous and the rhythm is slightly unsteady at some points. But these are no severe problems :wink:

    P.S.: Your pronounciation won't help many people who dont speak french, but OK :)
     
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    Hi,

    I like this piece a lot. Probably because it starts off in minor and ends in major.

    The recording itself sounds good and your tempo is fine. But Lord Nelson is right about the synchronization. Most of it happens on measures 16 and 17. You need to keep the 16th notes moving right along in the RH. Also in measure 12 - beat 2 there is a dotted 8th note d-flat that then goes to a 16th note C. Measures 20 and 22 - you should make the grace notes shorter- make them flick off like you do on all the other places. This makes the piece have that certain little bounce. If you can fix these couple things, it would be a nice performance. :)
     
    pianolady, Oct 21, 2007
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    Do you practice with a metronome? I think some subdivided metronome practice would do this piece a lot of good. :)
     
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    Thank you all for your kind and careful listening, and for your advices. Pianolady, your precise indications are much precious to me. I agree with you and I'm trying to convince my fingers that you're right. :wink:
     
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    The Rh 16th notes in bars 16-17 improved somewhat, but in bars 20 and 22, you turned the grace notes and following notes into triplets. Also, measure 39 drops down to ppp and then I don't hear grace notes on bars 41, 42, and 43. Keep trying, you'll get it. :)
     
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    I do ! :wink:
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    I hope you are not offended, because I offer these remarks honestly and in an effort to help a fellow pianist. Lord knows, I appreciate any advice I get from members, whether I agree with it or not - it makes us focus on certain aspects of our playing. So...this is improving, but there is still more work to do.

    Bar 13 - you hesitate on the grace note. You are already on the C in the RH and the A-flat in the LH. Just hit them again. Bar 15 needs more accents. Bar 17 - 1st two 16th notes sound too much like a grace note. Bars 20 and 22 need more emphasis on the grace notes. Your dynamics are better, though.

    I have an idea. Go to your private messages.
     
    pianolady, Oct 23, 2007
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    I have listened to first and last recording and you are getting better. I think this last submission of yours are absolutely good enough for the site and it is up to you if you wish to polish it even more.
     
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    Thank you Robert for your proposal. I would like to get still a chance to do better taking benefit from pianolady last suggestions.

    Pianolady, many thanks for your help. That is good piano teaching for free! :)
    I see well what is wrong on bars 15 and 17. Less obvious to me on bar 13 and 20&22: I am going to listen some great pîanists, especially Radu Lupu and Vladimir Horowitz, who gave a rather unconventional and much exciting performance of this piece as a bis at its 1987 concert in Wien.
    Anyway, I am certainly not offended because of your remarks. I may be a little bit disappointed to have to agree that my perfomance, which I thought to be acceptable, is not. But as a counterpart, I can play it better, which is most important to me. I think it is really a great chance for the pianists submitting recordings here to have the return from careful listenings. Still many thanks for that !
     
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    You're definitely getting better on the synch, though it could still use some work. It just gets a bit wobbly sometimes. ;)
     
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    Yes, a lot, indeed. :wink:

    Meanwhile, could this one be put up ? :roll:
     
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    I couldn't get on the site last night. Some kind of connection error, so I missed this earlier.
    Anyway, there is improvement! Your 16th notes in the first set of measures were much better. Some rhythm inconsistencies still happen in the next two lines, one being that your LH jumps in too soon on the last beat sometimes (not looking at the score right now)but I know how hard it is to 'undo' something. If you are happy with this, then that's all that matters. And perhaps in time it will get even better and you can then replace it.
     
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    This is up! :)
     
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    Thank you. :D

    I was wondering whether you was hesitating to put it up and prepared a new recording. I don't ask for a replacement but since it's available, I put it here. :wink:
    Anyway I am going to continue with this piece. 8)


    Schubert - Moments Musical Op. 94, No. 3
     
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    Ok, I see it. I'll listen and take care of it soon. Have to get outside now to tend to my flower gardens. We had a pretty good frost last night, and now half of my plants are shriveled up. I don't like to see them like that and have to go cut them down.
     
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    Yes, I agree these are getting better all the time. If your rhythm wasn't so wonky this would be pretty good. My suggestion would be to practice it slower with the metronome, paying special attention to the 16th notes.
     
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    I think this was better in some important matters and I have replaced it on the site.
     
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    This is one difficult little piece even it it may not sound that way. I admire your perseverance with it but I have to say you are not quite up to it yet. The double-note passages are rather messy and your rhythm is as unreliable as ever. Time to get that metronome out of the closet again ! Slowly does it. Do not allow yourself to play out of rhythm.

    Did I ever recommend playing Bach ? Ideal to master simple rhythms and finger coordination.
    The double-note bits parts, you'll just have to work bloody hard on. if it helps, I never quite got the hang of them either...
     
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    Chris, I know well that I am not quite up to it.You are right: my rhythm is much unstable. I thought that there was some progress with respect to my recording available on the site, enough for being worth for a replacement. Can this new recording convince you to do so ?
    I have followed your advice: I used the metronome, which usually stands on a table near the piano as a decorative object. :)
     
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