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Schubert, Moments musicaux, No. 2 in A flat major, Andantino

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  1. Rachfan

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    Achieving that "romantic sense" behind Schubert's music is very important indeed. As a composer (not unlike Beethoven's evolution in his late period), Schubert stood with one foot in Viennese Classicism with the other foot in the onset of early Romanticism. Thus he was truly a transitional composer moving toward the latter style of musical expression. I think that's what makes his music so remarkable.
     
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  2. Didier

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    Thank you very much Andreas for your detailed report from your listening and your kind words. Much useful and encouraging to me. I well agree with you about my mistakes on bars 5 and 45. I may have wanted to compensate at bar 5 for the dotted quarter instead of the doted half note played by Radu Lupu in its Decca recording (nonetheless my preferred version within the numerous ones that I have listened to) and the in-between duration chord played by Emil Gillels at the 1970 Salzburger Festspiele (Orfeo CD). Anyway I well remembered that I counted from 1 to 9 while I should have stopped to 6, what I used to do previously when I was counting. :? When I listened to my recording, I found that this stangely long chord was interesting... :roll:
    The eigth instead of the quarter at bar 45 is a recurring mistake. Thank you again for pointing it out!
    Yes I have a c flat at bars 4 and 5. My ears are not accurate and I cannot check on the piano at this time but I think that it is what I played. Am I wrong? :oops:

    Most performers don't. Maria Joa Pires did (DG) and it is awful... I consider them as a kind of accents.:?:

    I just listened your 4 hand interpretation of the Fifth Symphony from Beethoven on Youtube, which I enjoyed a lot. For sure, you rhythm sense is much more developed that mine! :wink:
    (By the way, I looked just after at the performance by the Berliner Philharmoniker conducted by Karajan, filmed by Clouzot. I must get this DVD!)
     
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    Didier wrote:
    No, but you play only one c flat instead of an octave. That's sure.

    I understand this. I think, I wouldn't play the staccato, too.

    Thank you for the compliment. :D

    I would like to have this, too, but I have the audio-recording of Karajan conducting Beethovens Fith. I dislike his tempi, which often are too fast for my taste.
     
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    Didier Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Hello,

    I corrected (most of ?) my mistakes. I hope that you will enjoy this recording because I made a particular effort to get it right. I displaced the piano to get the sound axis aligned with the long axis of the room. The sound is better but it's nearly impossible to walk around the piano. :wink:


    Schubert - Op.94 D780, Moments Musicaux, 2. Andantino
     
    Didier, May 10, 2009
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    musicusblau Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Hi Didier,
    congratulations, this is really the best version until know, but there still are some little things, which could be improved:
    1) the dotted rhythm at some places is to short (I mean the first note with the dot), f.ex.
    2) You sometimes forget the melody tone in places like f.ex. bar 4, 5 and 6: c-flat in the upper voice is missing (it always concerns the upper tone on the sixteenth after the dotted eigth).
    3) Three bars before the first a-major-part you don´t pay attention to the holding-bow on d-fat.
    4) on the last chord (d-flat-major) before the f-sharp-minor-part there is too few of the third (f)
    5) Very interesting that you play the staccato-points in the f-sharp-minor-part at the beginning. I always take pedal here and consider them just as "hand-points". I think, one shouldn´t hear them, but it sounds interesting.
    6) bar12-19 of the second as-flat-major part the rhythm in the left hand is wrong:the dotted rhythm here mostly is too fast, that means the sixteenth-note comes too early, first in the bass (e-flat) than in the upper voice (e-flat).
    7) the fourth and fifth bar of the second f-sharp-minor-part: here you forget the a in the upper-voice on each last sixteenth of both bars. In this part you play the staccato-notes like I do, btw (that means not audible).


    I hope, my tips help you. I like your performance as usual very much, because you play so sensitively, expressively and with much soul. And the sound-quality of your recordings is the non-plus-ultra for me. It´s so clear as if I would be directly with my ear on the cabinet of your grand-piano. I think, your recordings have the most natural sound-quality on this site. Do you add any reverb or equalizer? Explain me more about the replacing of your piano. I didn´t get that completely. What dou you mean with "long axis"?
     
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    Very expressively played. I liked your clean and intimate sound.
     
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    Very intimately played indeed, and I like it very much that way.
    In some spots, however, a bit less rubato would improve the performance even more.
     
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    Thank you all for taking time for listening to this and for your kind comments.

    Special thanks to Andreas for his detailed ans so accurate report. I am much confused about 2) because you already pointed this out at my previous recording and I paid much attention to it. At least during the first takes... Then my attention should have been drawn by other issues. I'm so sorry... Anyway be sure that your remarks are much valuable to me ! Regarding 4), it was not intentional. :? But I found afterwards that it could have been! :wink:

    My room is approximately 9.5 m x 4.5 m and the piano is in a corner:

    [​IMG]


    This is a rather bad placement for recording but the most practical for the activities other than playing piano usual in a living room. For this recording I oriented the piano so that the longer axis of the room be perpendicular to lid. The best for the sound but absolutely non-practical for every day life.

    [​IMG].

    Yes there is EQ for taming low frequency resonances and a bit of harshness in the 2kHz - 5 kHz band. Yes there is reverberation to give space that a so short distance recording, mandatory in such a room, cannot give.
     
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    Ok, this is replaced.
     
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    Thank you, Didier, for your interesting and informative reply with the pictures.
     
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    Ok, Didier - this is replaced.
     
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    Hi Monica,

    I just downloaded the file from the link above and I got the old version, the duration of which is 6'01", while the new one has duration 6'26". I'm going to check what happens if I download from the Schubert section.

    PS The duration indicated for my recording in the Moments musicaux page was well changed to 6'26" but it is still the previous 6'01" version. Here attached the new 6'26" version that I uploaded previously.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    I am very sorry, Didier - I have tried a few different things in an attempt to replace the file and it is not working. Maybe there is some kind of write-protect thing on it; I just don't know....:? I do have your current recording on my computer. I will ask Chris to help me.
     
    pianolady, Aug 23, 2009
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    That's a gorgeous Steingraeber. What model? 8)
     
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    I'm not sure what happened here but there were two versions of the file on the server, one having a dot too many in the filename (I once more recommend double-checking the filename before uploading !). Also they had different file permissions, which I don't understand. Anyway I have removed the old stuff and re-uploaded the file. Should be ok now.
     
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    Didier Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    I have checked that it is allright now. Thank you Monica and Chris.
     
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    I swear, there are no 'two dots', extra dashes, or extra spaces on my file names. And yes - I am wearing my glasses! :wink: Oh well, thank you for the help.
     
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    Never mind how much you swear, there were these two files

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    schubert-94-2-brest..mp3
schubert-94-2-brest.mp3
    on the server. They were the same in size (so the same recording most probably) but different in permissions (which probably would make no difference for site or forum users). You must at some stage have had the double-dot version on your computer, as no dots get magically added in the process. But not to worry, these things happen.
     
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