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Schubert, Hungarian Melody D. 817

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  1. pianolady

    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    What library? And what 'user account'? I don't have an account! Are we still talking about Audacity?
    I am lost already. :? :?
     
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    You are on a Mac, right? :wink:

    Open Finder by clicking on the two-faced icon on the extreme left of the dock. On the left part of the Finder window there should be some lists, Devices, Places, etc. Under Places, there should be an item labeled with your username, with a house icon next to it. Click that. Then locate the folder named "Library". Inside Library, select the folder "Audio". Then select the "Plug-ins" folder, and finally there should be a VST folder. :D
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Nope - I'm on a PC.

    Also, what does VST mean?
     
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    Then I can't help ya! :D

    Steinberg's Virtual Studio Technology. :wink:
     
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    I saw some stuff yesterday while browsing the net that there really isn't any convolver that's compatible with Audacity right now. :(
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    I agree with this = :(

    Thank you anyway, guys! :)
     
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    The good thing is that Audacity on the Mac has full access to the plugins that come with GarageBand. 8)
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    well, guess what? I normally use Wavepad to do all my editing stuff and it does have that VST plug-in thing! Yay!!!!! :D

    Now I just have to figure out how to get these files/folders or whatever over to Wavepad. It's right now asking me for the DLLs folder and the VST plug-in. Those two things - are they the two zip files I downloaded? How do I transfer them?
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    In case anyone is interested, I think I have done it. I have the DLL and the Acousticas things in my Wavepad program. Now all I have to do is learn how to use all this stuff!
     
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    pianolady wrote:
    Wow, that´s great, Monica. I have it, too, now, and I can use it. I just have a little problem, but which is no real one. I described it in my thread of Saties Gnossienne.
    Isn´t Didier a fantastic person, that he gave us the link to this rich treasure?!
     
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    Didier Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Re:

    Hi all,

    near 4 years ago, I wrote after submitting my recording of this work, which is currently on Pianosociety
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    I did it and would like the new attached recording to replace the old one.

    Didier
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Hello Didier, it's nice to see you here again! :)

    Sometimes I like being an admin, and sometimes I do not. Right now I do not, because of what I have to tell you.... :(
    I'm sorry, but we can't take this recording. There are too many things wrong with it....mostly your rhythm.

    To be more specific:

    1. Bars 20 and 22 - where are the thirds? Sounds like you only play one note.

    2. Bars 27-28, 31-32 - the rhythm is off

    3. Bars 42 and 46 - should not slow down

    4. At bar 53 and on a little - you turn the steady and even LH 8th notes into a dotted rhythm (at least that how it sounds to me). In happens in another spot later on too.

    5. 73-78 - more rhythm problems.

    Basically, I think your beat needs to be steady throughout the whole piece. Some of the spots I mention above - if you crush the grace notes, you can get them out faster, which will in turn make the rhythm tighter and the right amount of beats in the bar. (hope that makes sense?)

    Also, I have often heard from other members that my dynamics are not defined enough....this time I have to say that yours are not either. You don't get soft enough, nor loud enough. I always blame my speakers and my recording setup (which is true!). Maybe you have a similar excuse...? :wink: :)

    Anyway, again, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I think that if you listen to other recordings of this piece, and then practice at a slow tempo with a metronome, you can iron out some of these problems.
     
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    Hi Monica,

    thank you for your thorough listening and for spotting me on some missing notes and rhythm issues. I will try to get this right.
    Your are right blaming your speakers because my dynamics are fine ! :D
    Look at the screenshot here below: the upper track is the left channel of my recording, which I applied 2 dB gain to for getting the same mean level like the downer track, which is the left channel of Brigitte Engerer's recording issued in 2008, the best version in the current discography in my opinion. (It is one of her last recordings. She passed away in last June because of a cancer, 10 days after her farewell concert at Théâtre des Champs Élysées.)
     
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    Hi Didier,
    this is a subtle interpretation in an excellent sound-quality! I have enjoyed it very much. But I have to admit, there are some rhythmical problems here and there and also with the completeness of the thirds at some places (as Monica has pointed out correctly above). Sometimes you also drop the third in the chords of accompaniment in the left hand. I also would recommend to practise the whole piece first with metronome in a very slow tempo, so that you can pay attention to all tones you have to play. When this is o.k., you could raise the tempo and at the end play it without metronome and some rubati. (And all the other musical interpretations you want to do.) But - especially in your case - a solide practising with metronome would be the base for bringing out all the marvellous and subtle things you want to do from the musical aspect and you are very able to do!

    Nice to "see" you again! :D
     
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    Hi Andreas,

    thank you for your kind comment. My interpretation is not so personal: I copied much the recording from Brigitte Engerer, except for some faults that I introduced as my own signature ! :p
    I hope that I will fix the issues mentioned by Monica and yourself in a short term. I have worked too long on this piece and my previous recording currently available from Pianosociety is much worse.
     
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    Actually, I listened to the version up on the main site and your rhythm is better in it. As far as dynamics, my speakers are good and so are my ears. I meant that I blame my mics, not my speakers. My files all look the same as yours, but it's weird...sometimes on a certain recording one can hear the dynamics changing dramatically, but on other recordings, the dynamics sound flat. Your dynamics here sound kind of flat to me, although I can 'see' that they are not...but you can't really hear it that much.... I can't explain it.
     
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    Didier, are you taking lessons ? If not, would you consider it ? Mainly (only, really) to improve your sense of rhythm and tempo. It's such a shame, you play so beautifully and musically, and your instrument and recorded sound are top-notch. But your rhythm sucks... there is no better way to put it. You should practice with a metronome, which is necessary but by far not sufficient. Playing Bach, lots of it, will help. Expert guidance would be ideal.
    Let be know what you think.
     
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    Hi Chris,

    my last lessons were 8 years ago. My teacher, who came from Kirghizistan, went away because she was not authorized staying in France. I have not time enough for taking lessons at normal hours. I am practising piano late in the evening. I am confident that I can solve my rhythm issues alone. Monica was right not accepting this submission. The next one will be better. :)
     
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    Hi,

    here is my new recording of this work.
    Any remark is welcome !
    Didier

    Edit
    I just uploaded a second file (_3). It is the same recording with extra equalization for taming more the low frequencies. I much prefer the clarity from this one.
     

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