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Scarlatti - K27

Discussion in 'Works in Progress' started by pianolady, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. pianolady

    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    I was going to submit this in the Audition Room, but I'm not satisfied with it and I don't really know what to do. Sure wish I was still taking lessons! Anyway, maybe someone here can give me advice. Is this tempo okay? I can sometimes play it faster, but usually there's a train wreck somewhere. I've been working on trying to remain steady throughout. It's only two short sections....how can I change up the repeated section? I usually play a repeated section softer, but I don't think it would work here, would it? Help!!! How can I improve this? I used to like this piece a lot, but now it's driving me crazy.

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    Then put it away. Don't try to beat it into submission, it won't get any better that way. You will get back to it when the time is right.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Right now it's in my fingers. If I put it away I'll forget a lot. I recorded this piece last weekend too, and it was worse then today's session. I guess I have to keep plugging away at it...hoping that it will improve. Just wish I could play better....*sigh*
     
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    To me it actually sounds quite promising. How long have you been working on it?

    I would, however, agree with Chris. Put in on the shelf for a while to get some distance and a fresh perspective Then start again. If you force it, it won't get any better and you'll get (even more) frustrated. Some pieces need time to mature on the shelf and it seems this is one of them.
     
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    First questions (before listening): How long have you been working on this, and what issues have you examined besides the basic note learning stuff? I know how you like to learn things rapidly and record them immediately :) Some pieces just take more time.

    After listening: Any one of your tempi would have been fine! It fluctuates too much and rushes a lot at the beginning.

    About the repeats: This piece doesn't need to have much changed on the long repeats imho except perhaps a more decided final cadence the second time. The short repeats, m. 11-16 and similar, are another story. It gets repetitive if you play all those measures the same way. Here are some options: vary volume, vary pedaling, vary articulation, vary voicing.

    I think what this most needs is a lot of melody alone work to help you plan the phrasing. The melody is already louder than the accompaniment, which is good, but it needs a lot more shape. Especially where the melody is all quarter notes. Melody alone will give you a fresh perspective and help you see the piece as something other than a million annoying sixteenth notes. For one thing, identifying what is the melody is itself an interesting question...

    The places that feel train wreck prone to you (maybe m. 23-25 and similar? with the tricky finger 4-5 bits? that's what I find most difficult in this) really just need a small amount of slow, fanatically even, 100% consistently fingered practice to firm it up. Do do that but don't focus on it to the exclusion of melody alone work.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Thank you, Daniel, but that's just not me. I can't help it. :)

    Heather, thank you for the tips! :D I've been working on this for about a month. Regarding tempo - I just need to relax and not worry about trying to play it at breakneck speed. It's not going to make the piece better, and I can hopefully play more musically. Thank you again!!
     
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    One month is really not very long for something that requires a lot of musical decision making. I don't think you need to put it on the shelf but I think another month would give you a lot more familiarity with the piece. Have fun!
     
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    One month is quite a short time and I don't know how long you usually need to learn a piece like this, but it already sounds good.

    One suggestion: in the next two or three weeks, practise it slowly with a metronome. Don't try to play it fast and relax while practising. This always helps me in similar situations.
     
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    It sounds good but you're straining and slowing down as the phrases get more difficult. Get the technical issues under control then you can start polishing for performance and recording. Scarlatti definitely needs time.
     
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    Okay, I will practice a lot with the metronome. I have too many irons in the fire right now, and so I have to try recording this piece this weekend so I can get it off my plate (how many idioms can I get in here? :wink: ). I think I can get it if I can just make myself relax. That's very hard for me!
     

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