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RE: pianoteq and other software synths/VSTs

Discussion in 'General' started by s_winitsky, Feb 11, 2009.

  1. s_winitsky

    s_winitsky Member

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    Hey Guys, not sure if this is the place to ask but here goes.

    Yesterday I got an inexpensive midi/usb cable as a gift. I then plugged my keyboard into my laptop and instantly I had access to hundreds of amazing sounds. I tried of course pianoteq, DSK keys for piano sounds, I tried a mini moog sound and other such fun things (VST modules).

    The question I have is can I use something like pianoteq or DSK keys for recordings on the site or am I better off using the built in sounds of my keyboard. (I have always just used the simple line in cable to my desktop sound card.) The line in cable cost me a whole 1$ at the dollar store.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Hi Stan,

    You are still playing the keys just like before, right? The only difference is the sound? I am not too familiar with this, but I think there are other members (not regular ones, though) who have done this kind of thing. As long as you don't edit the heck out of your recording - like speed it up, slow it down, correct wrong notes, etc..then I don't have a problem with it. Maybe you better wait until Chris chimes in, though.
     
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    No editing involved of course :) I don't actually know how to do that kind of thing. Just using the sound capabilities of things like pianteq and DSK keys. Perhaps its best to provide 2 or 3 short samples? Or maybe I am just going in the wrong direction?

    Actually all my recordings have no edits except for the start and end (which I need an edit to cut out things I played before the song started or after it finished if that makes any sense?) Not that it matters :)

     
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    Sort of a sample of what I was able to record. I think the quality is better then my existing piano sound. This is not meant to replace my existing recording.

    I think the volume settings might have been too low and maybee too much reverb. I noticed it was more responsive to my articulation which made me happy. What do you say?
     
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    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    I don't care at all for these new technologies where one 'performance' can be made to sound like played on a Steinway, Bosendorfer, Barrel organ, or what else. I understand the results can be brilliant, and the possibilities exhilarating. Still I think this is not the way things should be going. But hey, I said that when the steam trains were first invented, and that didn't help either.

    I guess this is a technology train we can't stop. To heck with acoustic pianos going out of tune. All you need is a midi keyboard and a sample librray of your choice. Hmmm....

    Well anyway, we just have to trust that people still play the music themselves, which in this case we surely do. Having said that, even this aspect may well become a moot point in the future. When that happens, I'll probably resign as an admin....
     
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    alf Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Currently, there are piano lover online communities that don't accept digital piano recordings. I wouldn't blame PS if it switched to this standard or accepted only videos of digital piano performances.
     
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    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    I don't think we can do that, however much we'd like it. Ever more people play digital, including yourself. Also, how do we know something is digital or not ? Often, you can't tell the difference and have to rely on the submitter's word. Seems impossible to draw a line...

    A strange idea to allow only videos of digital performances. Pretty boring seeing someone play on a digital... And IMO we should leave videos to YouTube.
     
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    alf Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Well, all in all I agree with you, I guess I'm not good as devil's advocate.
     
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    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    I am relieved to hear there is something you are not good at :p
     
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    alf Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Hehe, I am prone to utter about what I know and fall silent upon the rest. So I suspect I give a skewed impression of myself.
     
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    :lol:
    I prefer to phrase that slightly differently and sometimes say
    "The reason I don't talk so much is because I talk only about things I know about"
     
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    alf Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Anyway, both are Wittgenstein revisited.
     
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    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    * Silence follows... *
     
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    Ok, I was thinking there might be a feeling like this. I actually would prefer to record on my baby grand piano if I would keep it in tune and had good recording equipment. My piano isn't really good for recording although it is much more sensitive to articulation and other subtle expressions which can sound funny on my digital.

    I have to admit thought there seems a bit if irony here since I first heard of pianoteq via pianosociety!

     
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    AFAIK, we have the PianoTeq link because they have donated some money towards that. See it as advertisement, not as something that we necessarily like or even agree with :wink:
     
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    alf Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Right. These guys for one, call attention to their class action on Google AdWords! :lol:
     
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    Now you have really outsmarted me Alf. I have no clue what you mean and where the connection is.
     
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    alf Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Really? Well, they pay Google to advertise a class action where Google itself is the defendant. Don't you find it ironic? I do! But business is business.
     
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    Sometimes too I wonder at the clean and precise sound of my electric piano ; but then I get to play on a good old heavy Steinway, and the feel of the ivories, the hugeness of the sound just dwarf the eletric piano for all its merits.

    Regarding VST, I don't get whether you change the sound real time or post-play : when using VST in real time, I have quite an horrible latency (250-500 ms) which make it unplayable. And then unless you just want to make a cute recording, that makes VST useless to me ; one of the reason why I hate MIDI is because it seems that it NEVER exactly reproduces what you did. A simple electric piano with a line-in recording device, or an accoustic with nice recording equipement is much more faithful to the performance.
    Also, changing the sound after you played is quite a huge edit to make I think ; the dynamics you used, some legato and rubato, it will vary greatly depending on the instrument you play. Even on my electric piano, varying reverberation will completly change my playing, as will changing the voice. For instance, I like to emphasize deeper bass lines, and I hate high and bright chime-like notes, so depending on the instrument voice I will not play the same. Those edits, I'd say, make your final result more akin to eletronic music than classical one.
    In the end it merely depends on what you intend to share I guess ; a perfect studio-like performance, or your personnal performance (a question which is not unlike the ones on faithfulness to score and composer intention versus performer individuality and choices).
     

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