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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Hi Monica, I've heard this piece a couple of times in masterclasses but can't say I know it inside-out. Overall I thought it was pretty successful. I can sense a certain lack of fluency in places in the last movement, but it's nothing drastic. There are probably also marginal issues of control with the tremolandi at the start of the first movement, but I only spotted them because I was specifically looking for them. I think the Menuet is the strong point of the recording, and it's very good.
     
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    Hello Monica,
    Quite a nice piece of work ! This is a lovely set of pieces among Ravel's oeuvre, which is ALL extremely difficult to play, and you're making a really good job. Very clean, with breath and nice singing all along. Perhaps some excess in prudence, but this is the price to pay when you are chasing wrong notes in such tricky pieces. Yes Ravel's and Debussy's harmonies are incredible, and all modern jazz is deeply influenced by this early XXth century French music. I guess their most prominent succesor is Messiaen. Huge repertoire again, but little accessible for amateurs. Maybe the preludes. Do you know them ?
     
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    Thank you, Andrew and Francois. :)

    Yes, this was hard for me to play. But I didn't mind working on it because it's so beautiful. I may take it out again someday and try to get it a little smoother. Thanks for pointing out the trouble spots.

    Francois, no I do not know much of Messiaen's work. If little of it is accessible to amateurs, then I don't have a chance! I'd still be interested in listening to some of the preludes, though, so thank you for the suggestion.
     
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    Hi Monica,

    Kudos to you for your ongoing development of this piece.

    Modere

    The first movement sounds like it is coming along. My suggestion is
    to use a bit more of the tenderness that occasionally comes out.
    Even a bit of calmness now and then would create more of a singing
    effect. It is obvious that you are on the way to a truly remarquable
    delivery of this movement.

    Menuet

    The tone in the second movement is very glowing.
    Again, I think a bit of more introspective playing laced
    throughout would bring the character out more. More mood
    shading, of which you are so capable, would create a more
    wondrous feel. I think it is a matter of time, living more with the
    piece, and that you are on your way to an incredible performance.


    Anime

    I think you capture the essence of the Anime. Just keep doing what
    you are doing. There is a beautiful and appropriate tone throughout.
    The technique is great. The mood shifts are there as is the delicacy.
    The balance between the melody and the accompanying patterns is beautiful.
    Bravo!
     
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    Hi Kaila,
    Thank you for all the good advice. I'll definitely refer to it when I work on this piece again.
    :) :)
     
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    Hi Monica,
    Here you can find several versions of Messiaen's preludes. I used to listen and love very much Michel Béroff's when I was young, but I'm sure the others are worth listening...
     
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    Hi Francois, did you mean to post a link for me?
     
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    I have tried to download your Ravel-Sonatine, but it did not (yet) work. :cry:
     
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    Thanks for pointing out the problem, Andreas. The whole site is undergoing a lot of changes right now, so hopefully soon everything will be in working order again.

    Francois, I can't access that site. :(
    Guess it is just not meant to be, but thank you for trying.
     
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    O.k., I will try it again the next days. :)
     
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    Hi

    I have fixed the links.

    Richard
     
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    Thank you, Richard!

    To those who don't know....Richard is our new webmaster. See this post:

    viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6221


    Welcome, Richard! :)
     
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    Thanks Monica!

    Sorry for all the changes. I don't like change. I am optimistic they will be for the long term best of PS.
     
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    This is too bad, especially because this site is a unique resource where you can access to plenty of recordings of most of the repertoire (classical and other types of music). Although there is a possibility that this site wouldn't be accessible from USA - it is a French one - you can I think access to the first screen at this address:

    http://www.deezer.com

    Then you may register for a free membership, which gives you the right to listen the music of your choice. You just have to cope with some adds between tunes, but what I like on this site is the possibility to listen several versions of the same piece. The content is only professional recordings (compressed CDs).

    Good luck,
     
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    I still can't access that site. It asked for my email address though, and then they will notify me when the site is accessible from the USA. Hopefully, someday soon I'll get that email! :)
     
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    Otherwise you will have to move to France !
     
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    Hi Monica,
    all three movements are nicely played. My suggestions are the following: you could play the "en dehors" sounding more like coming from "outside" or "far away", i.e. more piano or softer. Also in the second movement there is such a place "en dehors", it should sound nearly like you play the pp at the place with the line "un peu plus lent qu´au début". There you produce a softer and gentler sound like it would very well fit to "coming from outside". Also the third movement has such nice pp-passages (I love them really also in "Jeux d´eaux", which I have performed in a concert many years ago). But your forte and fortissimo, especially the fff in the Coda of the third movement sound a bit too weakly. May be you could try to reach more power by using the natural weight of your arms. This usually helps me a lot. Putting pressure on the keyboard makes no sense for me anyway.

    In summary I enjoyed your performance very much. :D
     
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    Thank you for the advice, Andreas! I'm having wrist pain problems again, and these days I cannot practice as long or play as strongly as I like. So I guess that shows in my recordings here. I'm not going to re-do them though because it will just hurt me even more. But I appreciate what you said. Especially the part of using natural weight on my arms. That is something I need to be reminded of often.
     

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