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Prokofiev, Toccata in D minor Op.11

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  2. joeisapiano

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    bravo!

    do you have any secrets to share on how to build chops like that?
     
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    Toccata

    Amazing! Loved it!
     
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    That was a very good recording of this very difficult piece!

    Joe, here is possible a tip or two if you dare to try it ;). The Toccata starts off with a perpetual repetition of the note D, interchanged between the right hand (which plays the single note) and the left hand (which plays the same note but with the lower octave as well). After a brief development, there are chromatic leaps in the left hand whilst the right hand plays a repeated figuration. The two hands soon switch positions, although the leaps still continue for a while.

    A series of split chromatic thirds leads upwards until a descending melody (in A) with chromatic third accompaniments begins, with the left hand traveling in contrary motion upwards. This leads back to the main repetition 'theme' before a very short pause. Both hands soon play a weaving series of the right hand's repeated figuration from the start, before the split chromatic thirds pattern reappears. This leads more violently to the descending melody pattern, but this time in D, before the D repetition 'theme' reappears, this time in alternating octaves in both hands. The toccata slows down and halts temporarily before a chromatic rising scale leads to octave exhortations, followed by a glissando sweep up the keyboard to end on the top D.

    The recording is up on the site.
     
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    As good a performance of the Toccata as any I have heard. Terrific drive and virtuosity. The closing pages in particular are fantastic. I would have liked a little more made of the climaxes in the first part, where the RH and LH start far apart and then move towards each other. These sound just a bit too casually tossed off and could perhaps make more of an impact. Apart from that, nothing at all to wish for.
     
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    Sheet Music:
     
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    Are you sure, that's your recording? I'm almost sure, that this recording is RECORDING OF MARTHA ARGERICH. I have compared both recordings. Don't you trust me? Check it yourself.
     
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    This is either some kind of mistake or a fraud. Copyright S. Setrakian ??!! - Ridiculous ! This is a recording from the Debut Recital of Martha Argerich. Every fool who knows this recording can hear that. Just to make sure I just had a look at both of them in my audio editor - they're identical.
     
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    Just did the same in Audacity and I also added Horowitz. This is the result:

    [​IMG]

    Guess who's who.
     
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    The waveform is indeed identical to the right track of the Argerich recording. It'a apparently been converted to mono, and that seems to rule out the possibility of mistakenly having uploaded the wrong track - even apart from the added ID3 tags. I'd be interested to hear Mr. Setrakian's explanation for this.
     
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    It is proven fact and at the moment, we have tracked down other recordings, both midi-to-sample recordings and "normal" piano recordings that are proven fake.

    Action is being taken as I write this. It will be more to come on the subject.
     
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    how sad people must stoop to this.
     
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    always trust your ability to play but not to "cheat". I would like a clean sweep from your own morals.
     
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    So what is happening? Is Mr. Setrakian accused of cheating? :(
     
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    Yes. We are awaiting his feedback.
     
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    Whatever the outcome of the 'controversy' this is an amazing piece. I recently attended a concert by John Lill (UK's best pianist?) when he played this for his finale and blew the audience away. I thought the Steinway was going to bounce off the stage!
     
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    Chris,

    I've forwarded your comments to Martha Argerich. :wink:

    She promised me she'll try to play the piece better next time. :D

    Hihihihihi, just keeeeding. :p
     
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    :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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    Ah great, thanks ! :D
    It is important she knows that I don't always agree with her interpretations. Technically she's ok though (sure she'll like that compliment from PS's most feared critic :lol: )
     
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    When you are at it already with Martha, tell her about the wrong note she play in the Chopin prelude no.16 (bass note in the first couple of bars).
     

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