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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    I have looked everywhere and cannot find the music score to a particular Piazzolla tango. It's titled, "Tzigane Tango" and you can hear Daniel Barenboim play it here (just a little bit of it):

    http://www.amazon.com/Piazzolla-Tzigane ... 609&sr=8-1

    I'm thinking that the piece is originally scored for other instruments like accordion etc...and someone transcribed it for piano solo. I found no reference that Piazzolla did and I'm not even sure the recording that you can hear is actually just Barenboim or if it's a duet. Can anyone help?
     
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    Try this Monica, it might be a good start...

    http://www.piazzolla.net/albums.php?fon ... ction_id=2
    http://www.piazzolla.net/fichiers/partitions/3408.gif

    The collection is priced at $50, but does include 20 tangos. Your right, the music may have the parts for a typical Argentine tango ensemble - piano, Bandoneon, guitar, violin. The first page looks promising, however, I am not sure if you have to transcribe the rest?... Wow! Astor Piazzolla is a fantastic composer! He's definitely a "5S" composer: Sultry, Suave, Sexy, Surging, and Seductive music with a pulse. I usually play his music, along with many other tango CDs when I entertain guests... No, don't worry, I am not seducing them. :p Besides none of my friends can dance the tango correctly, like in the movie "The Scent of A Woman." Ah! Maybe next time I have a party, I should hire a local teacher to teach my friends the Argentine tango...

    I hope the music works out so we can hear more Piazzolla on PS?! :)
     
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    Thank you, George. That's close, but I'm still hoping to find that exact Tango already transcribed to piano solo. Wish I could just ask Daniel Barenboim if he'd send it to me.

    And yesterday when I was driving around town, another Piazzolla tango came on the radio and I sat in my car in the parking lot to listen to the whole piece - you're right about those 5S's - I was rather 'warm' after that! :wink:

    Btw - can I please come to your next party? :)
     
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    Hmmm, I am afraid asking won't help. But, if you make Danny B one of your amazing pizzas, I have a hunch he might give you a copy of the transcription before he finishes the last slice!

    Absolutely! The invite also goes to all PS members who have a pulse for Spanish music/dance. I usually have a theme at parties - Oktoberfest, 80's night, wine tasting, Folk Music Night, Italian Night, Cooking Night, or a movie/musical night, etc. Hey, the more I think about it, the better it's beginning to sound: Tango Night! or Tango De La Noche! The entertainment room is accommodating for dancing, especially with the parquet floor and bar. I have a friend likes to hang a crystal ball from the vaulted ceiling! She says it's like 'Dancing With The Stars!' I know an Argentine couple who teach the Argentine tango, as well as other Latin dance at a local education center, and I am sure they'll oblige for an eager group of 20-30...

    The closest I ever got to 'Dancing With Any Star' was 2 years ago, on a tour of Spain. I attended a gypsy flamenco show in Sacromonte, in Granada. These are a succession of caves, literally carved into the mountain, where there are different shows in each cave as you walk along the street. What a "5S" night that was as one of the flamenco dancers picked me from the audience to dance with her on the dance floor - that was my 15 minutes of flamenco fame. 8)
     
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    Great - just name the date! And can you bring the party to Chicago? I also have one of those hanging crystal balls and also another kind of hanging light that makes colorful stars fly around the room - also have strobe lights and lava lamps (don't ask...) :lol: .
     
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    Oh Wow, Tango on Lake Michigan. Struttin' up State Street -- that Great Street. Waltzin' through Wrigleyville. Lambada in the Loop. Sounds great. I'll hop on the "City of New Orleans" from Chambana to Toddle in that town.

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    That's the spirit, Scott! And since we're planning a party, let's do it in a couple months - Chicago is great in the summertime!!
     
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    Great, two people have already contracted tango fever in Chicago! With the exception of the polar extremes, I can party just about anywhere. If tango fever catches on in Chicago, just let me know well in advance because I am already booked through June. BTW, I never asked if there are PS members in Boston?...

    One of my patients who owns a dance studio thought that a Tango Night would be a great idea and gave me info on a great Latin dance instructor that gives the entire enchilada about the cultural and musical background for each tango or flamenco dance. I've decided to host Tango Night! in mid-May (Boston). I'll make tapas, sangria, margaritas at the bar, and have my photos of Andalusia cycling on the large screen in the background. The room is 25x26 with a 15ft vaulted ceiling, so the acoustics should be fine for a 4/5 piece traditional Argentine band, and there's enough room to spare for those swooshing dance steps without breaking anything - Zoinks! 8)

    ... Crystal balls, colored stars, strobe lights, and lava lamps, huh?... OMG! Ever thought of opening a lamp store?... OK, OK I won't ask... :)
     
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    Not sure.

    I really have to convince my family that I have to go to Boston in May - need a good reason other than I have to attend a party. Got any ideas?

    :lol: :lol:
     
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    I've never been to Boston, but have always wanted to go. Oh, and Tapas too!!

    We could also "Tango across America". Tango in Boston in May, Chicago in June, Denver in July, and Seattle in August! Would make a great summer.

    Scott

    (BTW, how did we get from Piazzolla to Boston. Me thinks someone's GPS is running amok.)
     
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    I've been to Boston twice. But I didn't know George then. :( I do love tapas, though. We have a nice Spanish restaurant in town that has great food - it's where I first learned about tapas.

    Piazolla...hmmm...well....I dunno.... :lol:
     
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    How did we get from Piazzolla to Boston then onto Chicago? Fortunately, with ease! We are only fulfilling the intentions of the composer in appreciation, and perpetuating his music in celebration, thousands of miles away from Argentina. I am sure Sr. Astor would approve of us being positive missionaries of his music on PS. "Tango Across America?!" Scott is right on! I generally don't like big cities, but Chicago is definitely on my list of places to visit! The closest I got was a connection flight en route to Ohio where I found my current piano.

    I wouldn't want to be rude, so why not invite the whole family as guests? There are 4 spare bedrooms. Boston has many historical, national, cultural, literary, and musical venues. Where I live, there are also many points of interests relating to the birthplace of the American Revolution. Friends tell me that I am a good guide since I love history. If the weather cooperates, Cape Cod offers a traditional maritime ambiance 2hrs away (pix on FB), and if the boat is ready by May, sailing off of Nantucket is spectacular for up to 6 people...

    Hope to see Scott, Monica & Family, and others in Boston!

    In all earnest, even if tango aficionados can't make it Tango Night! in May, then I am going to post a thread to see if there is any interest of PS members getting together on a local/regional level. No agendas, no motives, other than the camaraderie forged through the mutual appreciation for classical piano music, just for the sake of music! That should be enough to warrant a venue of its own...

    Monica, I am not sure if you've read Astor Piazzolla, A Memoir? It's his memoir compiled in collection of interviews. He produced quite a musical revolution in Argentina going against the grain of the traditional tango. His Nuevo Tango (new style tango) incorporated the new spices of jazz, counterpoint, and dissonance above and beyond the traditional forms. To some degree, Piazzolla's music was the impetus for political changes that took place in Argentina. You won't find a "wine spritzer" nor a "light beer" approach to his music; it contains all the top shelf ingredients as found in "Long Island ice tea" or "Hurricane" mixes. I find his tangos to be more potent and intoxicating than the traditional forms.

    His memoir, great reading: http://www.amazon.com/Astor-Piazzolla-A ... 1574670670
    A very revealing documentary DVD made by the BBC: http://www.amazon.com/Astor-Piazzolla-P ... pd_sim_b_1
    Tangos arranged for piano (I don't have this one, so I can't comment): http://www.amazon.com/Astor-Piazzolla-P ... pd_sim_b_6

    One of my favorite recordings of Piazzolla's Tangos is by Pablo Ziegler and his orchestra. If you don't have it, let me know. Pablo Ziegler was the pianist in Piazzolla's second quintet. He is now the torch bearer of the neuvo tango. He is the real deal as the "5S's" are so palpable in this recording... I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel Barenboim got the transcription from Pablo Ziegler... Mmm?... You might want to save that amazing pizza for the family instead, however, can you save me a slice?... :D
     
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    I too enjoy history and last time I was in Boston we saw many of the historical sites. But I am sure I didn't see 'everything'. So great - me and my husband Billy Bob and our ten youngins will hop in our converted school bus, which is also our home, and drive to Boston. Be a nice change sleeping in a real bedroom! :lol: (sorry, I'm in a weird mood). Seriously George, you are so kind and generous, but I don't really want my whole family to come along. If I am by myself, then I can finally do what I want to do/get my own way...well...most of the time I do, but still... However, I know my husband doesn't like when I jet off somewhere unless it's work-related, so he'll probably want to come with me. But we're not bringing the kids! :wink:

    I hope so too! And the invitation also stands for everyone to come visit me in Chicago.

    I have wanted that for a long time. Even though the economy is improving slightly, I think many people are still tightening their belts and not taking as many vacations. My own family is staying home a lot more these days because we'll have two kids in college next year, and the younger one now needs his own car (that will make 4 cars for us - lots of gas/insurance/etc to pay for!).

    Regarding Piazzolla - I really have not studied or read much about him at all. If I ever get time to read again, I'll check out that memoir. And no, I do not know about Pablo Ziegler. But I did just now order that piano music book that you showed above, plus I also ordered another book too - this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/085162 ... _sim_01_01

    I think I'm in big trouble because I keep ordering new music and then spend time learning it all, instead of practicing the music I should be practicing for that 'other project' I'm working on (shhhh....). I can't help it, though. It's like a drug - this learning new music. Oh, well...you only live once, right?
     
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    Wasn't there a show about that years ago, except I think they were heading toward the other coast. :)
    Monica, you'll have your hands full with 2 collegians. Well, with 4 cars you can open a dealership too now, in addition to the lamp store. :)
    I just had a 12hr day of doing surgery, dentistry, etc... So it's my turn to be in a "weird mood." :p
    In any case, Mr. and Mrs., and Scott are still cordially invited to Boston. :D

    Thanks for the link, I didn't know about the other Piazzolla album. Yup, it's true! "You only live once," but not with the new Health Care Bill. Yes, it's always nice to have extra music since his music is not in the free/public domain.

    As for me, I finally learned that Chopin Waltz No. 16 in D-flat to get the fingers going, but I might wait to start recording until I have the piano tuned next month. My piano keeps tune well in most registers, but it's been a year.

    You know, I have to confess one thing, with all the cultural, culinary, musical, dance, and travel exposure to Spain, I have yet to learn a Spanish piece on the piano - Zoinks and shame on me! :oops: I am going to try that "I aM SLoP" site and see if I can find some Spanish music there?... Ever since I was a kid, I used to love listening to music while lying down, just before going to sleep, and Asturias (Leyenda) of Albeniz on the guitar was one of my favorites... It might be fun to finally learn it and play it on the piano. Fortunately, not much has changed since childhood in that I still don't have to worry about waking up anybody at night, even if I were to play it on the piano... If I have any questions I'll post it in the "Repertoire" section. Another piece that I could lose my sobriety over is El Fandango de Candil (Goyescas) with its eloquence, panache, and the "5S's." But, I'll break the ice with Asturias first...
     
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    No, wait! I forgot that I did learn some Spanish music by Lecuona in junior high... See what happens when you turn 40?!
     
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    I ain't selling my disco balls, strobe lights, or lava lamps! :lol:


    Lately, I've been getting my piano tuned every four months. But I think I may be a little too sensitive to sounds and could get away with having it tuned every six months, instead. But yes, hurry up and get your piano tuned and then record the Chopin!


    Guess what? I just discovered another Spanish composer by the name of Oscar Espla and I plan on recording a nice little set of short pieces of his in the next day or so. They have the neatest harmonies - I'm really loving the music. But not as much as Granados, of course. If you learn El Fandango, I may have to ask you to marry me (we used to do that around here LOL)!

    I started working on El Fandango myself not long ago, but stopped because I knew it would take too much time away from perfecting no.2 Coloquio en la Reja which I recorded but am still practicing because it's on my repertoire list on the 'other project'.

    Regarding Asturias, right now I can only play it on my guitar. I have the book though and have it on my list of sets to complete one day. Except I have only learned and recorded the first two, Granada and Cataluña. So it would be great if you want to also take on Asturias and others from the set so we could have a complete op. 47 on the site.

    Funny, when I first read your reference to IMSLP, I thought you said you were a slob. hehe.
     
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    They say the mind is the second thing to go.....

    I forgot the first. :?:
     
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    Hmm, maybe I should learn Asturias second?... :wink: :p I've never been married, either in real life or on PS. I am intrigued, what's marrying on PS all about?...
    If it involves diamonds, you're in luck because that's my folk's business. Although something tells me it might involve long and difficult hours practice instead, all 14 pages worth, right?... Wait a minute, that last sentence sounds like real marriage from what my friends tell me, so there might not be any discernible difference?!... :p

    I am not familiar with Oscar Espla. I am curious to hear his music soon. I heard your Granados and Albeniz recordings and they sound wonderful indeed, full of amazement and zeal. You have a nice mix of great selections on the site. As far as composers go, I find that Albeniz is more nationalistic, but Granados is like the Spanish Chopin.

    Scott, I know the score to that game: 40-love, as they say in tennis. Listen, just start counting backwards on each birthday. Besides, the older we get, the more we become like children anyway, so why not get a head start? :)

    I am beginning to think there is a great sense of humor and vitality in Chicago?!... U 2 Rock! (Classically speaking, of course)
     
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    Count backwards from 40 -- Hmmm, that would make me 24 :lol: . Actually, I have started lying about my age. I add 10 years. I look damn good for a 66 year old, but I would look like hell as a 46 year old. It saves on cosmetic surgery.

    You have to have a sense of humor to live in the state that brought the world Blago. I think that we have the only governorship that is only a step on the way to prison!!! :roll: .

    I love Chi-town, but I am actually from the part of Illinois that ISN'T Chicago (like most of the state.) :wink: . It is difficult to ask Chicagoans to visit the rest of the state because they get lost in the middle of the corn fields.

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    Sorry it took me so long to respond. I had to take my son to the hospital very late on Tuesday night and now 36 hours later, I am home again. So is my son but minus his appendix.

    About the marriage thing - when one member did something that another member really really liked, then the one member would ask the other member to marry him/her. I only asked one other member to marry me once, but I'm sure he would be very happy to relinquish the liaison. In fact, I'm pretty sure he divorced me a long time ago, as he said I was too much to handle. :( And another member who long ago asked me to marry him has recently gone a little crazy and stormed off the forum. So, George, you are duly warned! :wink: But there are those diamonds...hmmm...perhaps I can learn to behave myself.... :lol:

    I wholeheartedly agree about Granados being the Spanish Chopin. And yes, please hurry up and learn 'Fandango' and 'Asturias'! I have not yet finished recording my Espla music. A death in the family last week, and now my son being sick this week put a stop to everything. I'm hoping to finish up recording tomorrow. And today in the mail I've received those two Piazzolla books I had just ordered. I'm so surprised at how fast they arrived! A Granados book I ordered not long ago took almost two months to receive; these Piazzolla books, which were also shipped from Europe, took only a couple days. And I got free shipping from Amazon.com! :) I'm just dying to crack open these books today, but probably won't have time to do so until next week.

    Scott - you're funny. The only thing I will admit is that I'm not 30 anymore. And have you watched Blagojevich on 'Celebrity Apprentice'? I have not, but the previews looked funny.
     

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