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Manuel de Falla - "Nocturno"

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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Here is a nocturne by Manuel de Falla that I stumbled upon recently. I think it's nice. Not so easy to play though. Hope I don't sound like an elephant.

    Falla - Nocturno
     
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    It is nice. For the life of me, I do not know what to suggest to make it "flow" a little better. From your comment, you already know what I mean. Probably just time itself - when you've played this over a period of years the ideas and technique will coalesce.

    It sure is nice to see a couple of different composers on the front page! Thanks for ending the current drought, Monica. In baseball, they'd call you the "stopper"!
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    There are some wide jumps in the LH that are hard for me to do softly and swiftly, that's what I mean by elephant. Otherwise, I play this piece pretty much like Falla does himself. You can hear him play it on Youtube. Thanks for listening, Stu. I've never heard the term 'stopper' before. Yes, there was a drought. The
    'new recordings' list was down to zero - had to do something about that. :)
     
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    The 'New' list lists new stuff from the past month. In the good old days there was plenty activity in a month. I think I'll extend it to 2 or 3 months now.
     
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    Hi Monica,

    This is the first time I've ever heard this nocturne, and it sounded beautifully played, Monica, and I can tell you put a lot of work into it. I was surprised though that Falla made it seem so Chopinesque (although Scriabin did that too in his early works). I believe you served the composer very well.

    David
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Thank you again, David. I also hear a lot of Chopin in this piece. But again, I hear that middle-eastern harmony too. Maybe there’s something wrong with me… as I’m hearing it everywhere… :)
     
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    Hi Monica,

    I had a listen to this recording and your Espla the other day. I liked your interpretations of both, though I have not heard either before so I have little to reference it against. I have to say I like Falla's Nocturno moreso than the Espla. The Espla has it's own place on the shelf, but all of the dissonances bugged me too much to appeal to me. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Thank you for listening, Riley!

    It's okay if you don't care much for the Espla. When I was your age I didn't care for pieces with a lot of dissonances either, but they've been growing on me as I get older.
     
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    It's mostly very good and atmospheric. A couple of places near the beginning where the left hand seemed a little "lumpy" but nothing drastic. You've got my sympathy re wide jumps - I'm doing a little trial work on Liapunov's Nocturne just now and the left hand goes everywhere! It's very difficult to keep it soft and even. Keeping the hand close to the keyboard, using a fair bit of wrist movement, and using a relaxed touch (insofar as that's possible!) seems the way forward.
     
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    Thank you, Andrew. Lumpy left hand...that's funny. :) Good tip about keeping the hand close to the keys.

    That's Liapounov's Nocturne op. 8, right? It's so beautiful!! And for sure the LH is super difficult...I've tried it. The piece is beyond my capabilities though. I love how the middle agitato section then transitions back to the A theme. And there are lots of melody notes weaving around between the two hands. That's fun to do. Many times I don't realize they are melody notes until after some time and then I have to circle them all so I remember.

    Question: About his name on our site--Do you think we should keep it Liapounov, or should I change it to Lyapunov? Seems to me I see Lyapunov more than Liapounov. I could be wrong though...
     
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    Yes, it's the op.8. Lovely piece, I've meant to work on it seriously for a long time now. I really don't know about the spelling. I think I had a mini-discussion with Chris when I uploaded one of his transcendental studies and it was chosen that way for consistency with another Russian transliteration. Liapounov seems the rarest to me - I've always spelt him Liapunov actually and that seems to be second most popular via Google with Lyapunov the most common. I don't know. I wonder if mathematicians have the same di/trilemma - his brother was a significant figure.
     
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    Thank you for your input, Andrew. His brother's name on the internet is most commonly spelled Lyapunov, so I think we should make Sergei's the same. Also, IMSLP spells it that way too. I will change it on the main site.
     
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    Hi Monica,

    You really do a beautiful job in sustaining the melodic line in this piece.

    I think the tempo was a tiny bit rushed for a measure near the short minor (middle eastern)
    phrase, but aside from that, it was a truly beautiful performance.

    I would never think that DeFalla wrote this, it sounds so Chopinesque. Well, live and learn.

    Thank you for sharing,

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    The thing is that in Russian there is a letter called Ya (я), which represents a dipthong and it has many of the behaviours of a single letter, rather like the j in English, which is actually two sounds, though they are never separated. (When a name like Joam is transliterated into Russian it becomes Джоан.) The problem with transliterating the composer's name (Ляпунов) as Liapunov is that it seems to indicate two letters and that the name could be pronounced Li-ap-u-nov, when in matter of fact it is Lyap-u-nof. The same goes for Scriabin (Skrya-bin), Liadov (Lya-dof) and so on. Why do we then see Liapunov? This is a hybrid between the French transliteration, which is Liapounoff and the one used in English, which is Lyapunov (final V in Russian is always pronounced as an F). I for one prefer the system they use in Italy, (which is actually the international system for Russian) and which is used for the spelling of Czech (and I believe Slovak, Croatian and Slovene), which would be Ljapunov. You will find German transliterates it Ljapunow, though the former would be truer to Russian pronunciation. Just to give an idea regarding other names, look how this systems transliterates, Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky (Пётр Ильич Чайковский): Pëtr Il'ič Čajkovskij!
     
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    Thank you for listening, Kaila. How are you? Hope you are well.
    I am also learning all the time.... :)

    @Richard - thank you for the lesson. I'm still confused though. That's okay, I haven't gotten around to changing anything on the main site yet anyway.
     
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    The whole thing boils down to the fact that perfect trasliteraition is not possible, pricipally when you come to names which have become familiar to us in one form, even if this form does not really correspond to the real name, like, I mentioned, Scriabin and Tchaikovsky.
     

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