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Liadoff, four Preludes, Opp. 33/1, 36/3, 39/2 and 46/4

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    Re: Liadoff, Four Preludes (various opp.)

    :D Jeepers, as my elderly cousin would have said! It was not!

    Actually I did check right after and found out they do not, but I forgot to edit the post!
     
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    Re: Liadoff, Four Preludes (various opp.)

    :D :D
     
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    Re: Liadoff, Four Preludes (various opp.)

    I made the comment partially in light of the knowledge that Liadov, Liapunov and Balakirev were commissioned to collect folksongs in the early 1890s, so it would make sense if some influences crossed over (they certainly did with Liapunov). I am however a little surprised that someone so notoriously indolent got the commission in the first place!
     
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    Re: Liadoff, Four Preludes (various opp.)

    Hi Andrew,

    There's no question that if Liadoff where with us today, he would definitely not be effective as a project manager. :lol:

    David
     
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    Re: Liadoff, Four Preludes (various opp.)

    Hi David,

    I had a listen to your recordings of Liadoff's Preludes. It serves as my introduction to him as a composer, and through phrasing and tempo in these short pieces I think you bring out his talents well.

    For criticism, I would consider contrast in dynamics between phrases. Like accenting the downbeat at the intersect of the first two phrases of no. 1.

    These pieces sound great, thanks for these recordings,

    ~Riley
     
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    Re: Liadoff, Four Preludes (various opp.)

    Hi Riley,

    In the first recording, had the two phrases been mirror phrases, I probably would have made the second one softer than the first for the sake of variety. But the notation between them is different, so I didn't feel as much license to stray from Liadoff's dynamic marking there. But it would be interesting to experiment with it.

    This was also my own introduction to Liadoff's music. So I'm glad I could share it here. I'm planning on doing more of these pieces over the next few weeks. Playing "new" music like this is always an adventure.

    Thanks for listening.

    David
     
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    Hi David, thank you for posting Liadov's works, cause I love them!!! It has been a while since I posted here (I'm struggling with my double fuction as a mom and a PhD student :( ), and as I browsed the list on AR, your post caught my eyes immediatly! I enjoyed your beautiful recordings a lot! What a genius was that composer! His pieces are certainly small but he says something larger than that length through them.
    I already knew those three pieces except op.33-1, since I watched Berezovsky's recital of Rach and Liadov im Louvre on the web-broadcast, where he played them. If you are interested, someone posted that whole recital on YT. The Loadov sections are:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy9RgaGoqbs&feature=related(from 3:20)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkyCCmjhK7A&feature=related
    On the second video he plays the three pieces together op.39-4 (which I really want to learn and play) and the Barcarolle (which I had already posted on AR).

    And may I ask you and Chris, if you guys know the opus numbers of two pieces, that I like very much but couldn't identify so far? They are two pieces on the first video, one of which starts at 3:25 and the other at 7:00.
     
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    I may have said this before, but just in case I didn't: you have my greatest respect for being a student, a mom, as well as a splendid pianist ! As well as living in a foreign country and being in command of at least two European languages. So much talent in one person is quite rare.

    These are respectively

    • Prelude Op.57 No.1
      Prelude Op.10 No.1

    I'm not such a fan of Berezovsky (can't precisely say why not) but I have to hand it to him, he plays these most beautifully. Shame about the leather jacket... He only needs a dangling cigarette to look like a Russian mafia capo or a dodgy business tycoon. There's always something about this guy's presentation that makes him look slightly unsavory.
     
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    Hi Hye-Jin,

    I'm so glad you enjoyed those Liadoff pieces I posted. At first I didn't know quite what to expect from this composer, had never heard the preludes before, but was quickly drawn into them. These pieces are true jewels. I usually make it a point not to listen to other pianists' recordings of pieces I prepare, as I don't want to be influenced. That is, I want to put my own stamp on a piece. I really enjoyed doing these recordings. I was about to move onto to another composer, but was persuaded to do more Liadoff, so I have four more of these preludes in the works now. But I'm not giving out any hints on which ones. :lol:

    Regarding Berezovsky: When I played the Rachmaninoff revised "Melodie" (posted here), I had heard the Rachmaninoff recording years ago as I have it on CD. Later on I heard the Volodos performance as well. So that was a case where I was already familiar with other recordings, but was still able to do some things differently to make the performance my own--although it could stand some improvements. After I did that recording, I later came across the Berezovsky live recording. I do truly respect him as a pianist. Anyway, he was playing in a large hall in the video, possibly the Salle Pleyel. He came out on stage to play an encore, the revised "Melodie" as it happened. He then spread out the music on the music desk. I wasn't put off by that, as Hamelin sometimes uses sheet music in recital too. And with my inability to memorize anymore, who am I to criticize that?! Well, he was playing and I was keenly interested to see how he would handle the difficult cadenza at the coda. He didn't play it at all!!! He finished the preceding measure, skipped the whole cadenza, and played the final chords in the closing measure. It was like it had been excised. I must say, my jaw dropped open! I thought to myself I certainly couldn't match Volodos' execution of it, but at least I PLAYED the cadenza. Now my jury is out on Berezovsky. Thanks for leaving those two links--I'll check them out. Hopefully he'll redeem himself there.

    Best of luck, Hye-Jin in your doctoral program. I'm sure you'll do very well in it. I'm hoping you can still post a recording for us now and then.

    David
     
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    Hi,

    I just listened to Berezovsky at the two given links. The first video at the start has most of the Rachmaninoff Prelude 23/10, which I've recorded. I was curious to see what he'd do with the second half of page 2. There are huge rolls in there that are difficult for even large hands. Some pianists take a huge liberty and slow the tempo to accommodate them more leisurely while dwelling on the romantic nuances. But Rachmaninoff didn't want that. And one can only practice that section for short time intervals, as it's dangerous to the hands. I give Berezovsky credit for maintaining tempo throughout. But... he has a couple of klinkers in there. I have to say that from personal experience, playing that section at tempo with correct notes is a super high. But luck wasn't with him.

    I liked Berezovsky's Liadoff pieces, although as for the two that he played that I had posted here, I actually prefer my own interpretations. But that is subjective, of course. He did an excellent job in particular with the Barcarolle I thought.

    His "Rachmaninoff Recital" if of interest, so I'll watch all of it tonight.

    David
     
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    There lives in exile in London one Berezovsky who is unsavoury: wanted by the authorities and what not. It must be a common surname, though, as the first Russian composer to write a symphony was also called Berezovsky and I remember enrolling a student at the school where I work who is one Berezovskaya.
     
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    Yes, and he's also Boris. He's an oligarch; whether being an enemy of Putin makes him unsavoury or not is another matter.
     
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    Oh, thank you Chris so much for this, which encourages me a lot in this personally hard time, even though I think this was too OT :lol: :lol:
    Thank you, Chris!!! Good to have you here, as always! I'm very excited now having the scores (thank the IMSLP, too, which has so much of his works).
    Is he wearing a leather jacket there? I though it's a silk jacket... :lol:
    I know and admit that he is not that great for the most cases, but personally I remember his best cases, which let me stay as his fan :D
     
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    As I had googled him (the pianist) for the first time, I was surprised how he looks differently on some photos :lol: :lol:
     
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    I'm dying of curiosity, David! :wink:
    :lol: :lol: :lol: I already knew that he often overcomes his memory-black with improvisation and gives sometimes the impressions that he haven't finished the work he is playing on the concert yet... But in front of the score... :lol: :lol: BTW I'm curious about the piece and have to go to your page, David.
    Thank you for your kind wish, David! I hope, too, that I can post new things on AR. I actually wanted to record a Brahms chamber music, but that Brahms-project was stopped by some reasons and from that shock I was mislead ( :lol: ) to a very difficult piece, so I don't know when it will be possible for me to record something. Maybe after finishing the dissertation??

    Yes, your renditions have your own colour. I have respect for that.
    Didn't he? That was the performance which led me to learn and record that piece. But you know, he played many wrong notes which I couldn't notice at all. He changed some harmonies etc. :lol:
     
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    Hi Hye-Jin,

    Hmmm... dying of curiosity. But still no hints. :lol: :lol:

    You need not search too far for the Rachmaninoff revised "Melodie". It's still right here on the front page of Audition Room. It's a gorgeous piece, so I hope you'll enjoy it.

    Yes, a doctoral project is all consuming as I know from experience. Plus that Brahms project. If you have no time to record but can spend a little time here to comment now and then, everyone would welcome that, I'm sure! That Brahms project sounds really tough. Sometimes he writes orchestrally rather than pianistically for the piano, resulting in some really awkward and difficult passage work. His music always has a very mature sound though.

    Thanks again for your kind comments on my Liadoff pieces.

    David
     
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    Not ! Anyway, you started it :D

    Hehe, not sure about that. But I do know a little bit about Liadov.

    Oh could well be. In that case, he reminds me of a Chinese shady guy :lol:
     
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    Hi,

    I think that the trend toward informality for artists in recital, such as the ubiquitous black pants and black shirt for men, runs counter to long-standing tradition. Being a performing artist is a noble endeavor, and for that reason the artist should not only strive for peak performance, but should look the part as well. Many will say I'm old school. Maybe so, but that's the way I see it.

    David
     
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    You are right, David, though I do believe you can be smart without looking like an undertaker (mortician).

    Do you remember Nigel Kennedy? :shock:
     
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    Hi Richard,

    I don't recall Nigel Kennedy, but I certainly remember Nigel Bruce as the bumbling Dr. Watson playing opposite Basil Rathbone as Sherlock Holmes. Probably makes the same point though. :lol: OK, OK, yes, the violinist who plays classical and other genres. He is rather versatile.

    David
     

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