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Johann Christian Bach: Sonata in E flat Major, op.17-6

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  1. techneut

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    Maybe so, but it's good that you checked - I make mistakes too.

    Wops ! I've corrected it.

    I see. Missed these dates ! I have changed this to better reflect your intention.

    I made that bit up :wink:
    But I have taken it out as Empfindsamkeit (I had also spelled it wrong :oops: ) was CPE Bach's game, not JC Bach's. It means "intimate expression" and marks the transition from baroque to early romantic classicism.
     
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    Techneut wrote:
    Just for to help Hyenal to find it in german dicitionaries, the german expression is "Frühklassik" and means the transition between (severe) baroque-style and high classic style (like Mozart, Haydn), like Chris still explained above. The highpoint of this epoque is nearly 1730-1750. In this style the "affects" became important, componists are f.ex. Johann Joachim Quantz, Stamitz, C.Ph.E. Bach. Quantz gives us also theoretical aesthetical imaginations of this time in his "Anleitung die flute traversiere (=Querflöte) zu spielen".
     
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    Chris, thanks for the corrections, it's perfect now! :D
    I knew the German word "Empfindsamkeit" (I'm studying the Aesthetics, even though I'm not good at the music Aesthetics) but I wrote the reply shortly before I went to the bed (I was very tired), so also I didn't notice the wrong spell :wink:

    And thank you very much, Andreas. So I've learned something important again :)
    But for a better understanding I'd like to ask you again. Did you mean, that the quality "Empfindsamkeit" is typical characterization for the "Frühklassik" periode? :?:
     
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    Hyenal wrote:
    Yes, of course, because the affects should be expressed in the music. There was also a "theory (system) of affects" in baroque, f.ex. as "passus duriusculus" and many others, but this was a "convention" of certain musical figures, which expressed a certain affects (Affektenlehre, Figurenlehre, Musikalische Rhetorik). The expression of affects in the "Empfindsamkeit/Frühlklassik" is a new one, more gallant, not in every case certain figures, but expressing joy, sadness and many others in music, f.ex. by embellishments, dynamics and of course also certain motifs (f.ex. sighing-motif). The style of "Empfindsamkeit" is called also "galant style" (galanter Stil). If you like, see Meierott/Schmitz (Hrsg.): "Materialien zur Musikgeschichte", 2. unver. Aufl., München: BSV 1981, S. 78-86, for an excerpt of Quantz "Anleitung die flute traversiere zu spielen" (with note-examples) and further explanations.
    And because of this new idea of expression the modern form of sonata developed. There is a development from the form of a suite-movement (Suitensatzform) to the classical sonata-form (klassische Sonatenhauptsatzform), with very interesting of transition-examples (f.ex. the Württembergische Sonaten of C.Ph.E. Bach).
     
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    I am in the process of putting these up, but for the ID3 tagging I need to know the tempo designations of the 3 movements. You should always mention these when uploading parts of a Sonata or cycle.
     
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    Chris, I've already mentioned it on my first post at the very beginning.

    But I can repeat it again:

    Johann Christian Bach: Sonata in E flat Major, op.17-6
    1 mov. Allegro
    2 mov. Andante
    3 mov. Prestissimo
     
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    Oops, sorry... I missed that. Was only looking at the attachments, not at the text :oops:
     
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    hyenal New Member Piano Society Artist

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    No problem :wink: ! I know that you have too many tasks as a site admin.

    Then at the next time schould I mention those imnformations in the file names? Is that more convenient for the site admins? :?:

    Anyway thanks a lot for what you do for the PS and for me! :D
     
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    These are up, please check. I am not sure why you wrote 'E flat major'. Only the middle movement is in E flat, the outer movements are in B flat so I have assumed that is the jey of the sonata.

    Many people do that, yes, and it may help prevent mistakes. Although of course I should still read the postings properly.

    Actually I have done very little on the site recently. Monica does most of the work these days, for which we are very grateful.
     
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    Everything is ok, thanks!

    Ooops.... That's my mistake :oops: Sorry!
    I had in my mind definitely "B flat major" and written here "E flat"...!
    To use too much english caused the mistake I think :?
    The German indication for B flat major is "B-Dur" (without the "(e)s" for the "flat" as in the other flat keys) and I was so attentive that I should add in the english indication the "flat", that I made such a big mistake to confuse between B and E :oops:

    :!: And since the big mistakes has been discovered, could you correct the same thing in the bio of J. C. Bach (on the last line)? The Andante is as you noticed E flat, but the sonata itself is B flat, so I did make the same mistakes again. :evil:
     
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    OK, done. I think we have everything correct now.
     

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