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    Here is the link for the wav-file (piano 2+3 complete, unedited):
    http://rapidshare.com/files/202536260/R ... 9.wav.html

    Somehow I was up to play a bit around and I have made an edited version for to give you a near impression of the end-sound (I used expander, limiter, gate, 10-button-equalizer, reverb). I have noticed, that I had a bad editing-transition in bar 17. I have also improved this. (But it´s still on the wav-file above, sorry, but I think, it´s not too disturbing, isn´t it, Monica? The end-file will not contain such things in every case.

    Moinca, please, do record only with the unedited wav-file above!
    Alfonso, again, I´m enthused by your recording!
     
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    Ok, I will record with your .wav file. I'll have it done Friday night or Saturday monring.
    What I hear so far sounds great!
     
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    Well, I'm having a problem. I don't think I can use the wav file. I have downloaded the file, it's on my computer and I transferred it to my Itunes so I could put it on my Ipod. I can see that it is listed in my Ipod, but for some reason it won't play. I'm guessing that it's because it is a very large file and I don't have the room for in on my ipod. I never thought I would fill up my ipod, but perhaps I did.

    Listening with my ipod at my piano is the only way I can do the recording, so is it all right if I convert the wav file into an mp3 with my editing program and then put that onto my ipod? Will the synchronizing be okay?

    Another thing - In my part, there are 8 bars where I don't play. Should I record two tracks, then? One with the first half, and one with the second half? Or do I just keep the recorder on and count off those 8 bars (in silence). Does that makes sense? Sorry, I can't think right today.
     
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    MP3 compression doesn't alter duration. So the answer is yes (in fact I played along Andreas' MP3 file).

    I believe it doesn't make any difference, since Andreas will anyway re-sync our tracks, but it's better to wait for his input.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Help! For some reason, I cannot convert the wav file to an mp3 with my editing program. All I get is an error message. I don't know why - I've done it many times before.

    Can one of you do it and send it to me or post it here. Sorry again, it's a crappy day :(
     
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    Here you are.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Got it, Alfonso. Thank you.
     
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    Good morning![​IMG]

    Monica, you can record with the mp3-file, of course. It´s a reduction of sound-quality, but no change of duration. So, Alfonso is absolutely right.

    You can record two files or one. I`ll do a cut in your break in every case for to make an exact synchronization.
    Have to work now. See you!
     
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    HAHAHA, a picture is worth a thousand words!
    Did you party with Monica, Brian and Kissin last night?

    Yesterday, just before compressing the file for Monica, I listened to our combined tracks and in some spots it sounded awkward to me, did you stretch some audio portions of my track to get it perfectly sync'ed with yours?
     
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    Alf wrote:
    Unfortunately not! :lol: But who are Brian and Kissin?

    I have made some little cuts to get our parts sync´ed as perfect as possible. So, may be that a small part here and there is stretched, another one a little bit compressed. Obviously you don´t like it. But in every case you should listen to my edited version (mp3-file), not to the unedited one, because there is a bad transition in bar 17, which I have deleted in the edited version. If you prefer, I can put your original track about mine without to make any cuts. But in this case there will be some few parts, in which we are not perfectly sync´ed. You may decide. Tell me your opinion, please.
     
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    Brian is "bclever" and Kissin is... Kissin, the pianist. I see you don't haunt the 'Pianists' Forum here.

    Andreas, you play a sort of producer-like role here and I trust you thoroughly. But I think it's preferable to leave the casual out-of-sync rather than artificially stretching or shrinking portions of audio to better accommodate it into the other pianist's part. Later (now I can't) I'll tell you more precisely where IMO your adjustments work and where they don't. Anyhow, I understand that is pretty subjective matter.
     
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    Maybe this will help. :lol:

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    Hi Alfonso,
    thank you for your kind words. For me it is no problem to take the originals without any cuts for to make a better synchronization. Not at last I´ll have less work like this. I just tried out the possibilities of my Wave Lab- Audiomontage-window. BTW, in the Romance I did more than 20 cuts to make the synchronization more perfect, but may be there it was not audible, here in the Valse it´s another case...
    In every case I´m curious on your detailed remarks.

    Hi Monica,
    wow, is this a foto-montage or a real foto? Of course, I know, who is Evgenin Kisssin (and I knew, who is bclever, too, but I didn´t think of this name). I still have heard some recordings and concerts of Kissin.
     
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    Hi Guys,

    Andreas - yes, that is a real photo. What can I say, every time Evgeny comes to Chicago, he calls me up to see if I can help him with some piano piece. :lol: :lol: :lol: (joking - I went to his concert last Sunday and got a few photos)

    Here is my part. It is in three pieces, but on one track which, when you put this onto your editing program you will see the large gaps between my playing. I hope this is okay. Also, it's late and I'm not sure if I'm uploading this onto the right places, everything is sort of blurry, so here are a couple links. Hopefully, one of them will work. I used two different file hosting sites.




    [url href="http://savefile.com/files/2020154"]Rachmaninov-valse-part1.wav - Hosted on SaveFile.com[/url]

    http://savefile.com/files/2020154"]Rachmaninov-valse-part1.wav - Hosted on SaveFile.com

    <a href="http://savefile.com/files/2020154">Rachmaninov-valse-part1.wav - Hosted on

    http://rapidshare.com/files/203463840/R ... 1.wav.html
     
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    OK, I've listened right now to the file you prepared for Monica and, you are right, most of them are successful and improve the final outcome. All in all I think there is just a single spot that is very awkward to my ears and I ask you to restore: the e# at bar 16. The Romance and the Valse display a different piano writing, you know, and I wouldn't be able to set a general rule for this kind of audio manipulation, it's just my ear that tells me it works or not (hence the subjectivity).
     
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    Well, I have some time to kill this morning, so I fooled around with the tracks and tried my hand at synchronizing. This was just for my own fun, so don't worry, Andreas - we don't have to use it. I did not add any reverb, but I did screw around with the volumes and not sure if I made it better or worse. I have a lot to learn yet with this stuff.

    So like I said, Andreas, it's perfectly fine with me for you to do the editing. I'm only seeing how all this works.
     
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    Here is my first final version. Monica, I´ll listen to your editing-attempt later. At this moment I´m going to make some takes of Bach, prel. + fugue b-minor. :wink: Fine, that you did this attempt, if it´s good, we can take it, of course.
     
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    Yours sounds better, Andreas. I got some wobbles and some other weird stuff on the file I worked on, so don't even bother listening to it. There is only one little thing that I hope you can fix on your version here. At 1:34 there is an obvious editing clip. You can tell by the background sound that suddenly stops and then comes back on.

    Ok, we're almost there! :D


    (p.s. I can't believe there are over 5,000 views of this thread. Wow!)
     
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    Hi friends,
    I´m here again. I´m very busy at this weekend with my takes of prelude and fugue in b-minor. (I think, I will upload my last pair of WTCI-cycle quite soon.)

    I have improved the editing clip at 1:34, Monica and your e sharp, Alfonso.
    I´m pretty satisfied with the result. O.k., there are little imperfections in synchronization here and there, but this would be in nature, too (I mean, if we would really play together on one piano at one time). For this we play more musically and naturally here compared with the Romance IMO.
    Please, tell me your opinion. I can satisfy (nearly) all your wishes, I believe! :wink:
    It´s a great pleasure to play with you both, Monica and Alfonso. (I looked for another 6-hand-piece, but have not found one until now. I´ll search further.)
     
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    Good morning!

    Ok, I think that's the 'keeper'! Let's see what Alfonso says. In the meantime, I will start to prepare a page for these two pieces on the site.

    Andreas - it might be better if you don't 'look' for another six-hand piece. I found our first piece (Romance) when I wasn't looking for it. :lol:

    And I know I've said this a hundred times already, but again, I thank you both so much for agreeing to do this little project in the first place. And look at all the doors we have opened, I mean as far as collaborative piano playing goes!
     

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