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    that's exactly what I need.
    but if you are saying that the first one do not have the same volume level than the others... how would you do the editing?
    if it does not have the same volume level, so I don't need this file (because you will change the volume before editing, probably).

    well...
    I use Nero WaveEditor. I click Melhoramentos -> Remoção de Clipping.
    did you get it?
    no?
    so I'll say in English: Enhancements -> Remove clipping
    there are two parameters to setup, but I don't change it. I use the "standard".

    really, Andreas?
    I may be wrong, you're zoom may really record multi-track at 96000 Hz... but I think that you're being deceived. are you talking about those four buttons which configure the file format?
    1 - 96 kHz
    2 - 48 kHz
    3 - 44.1 kHz
    4 - MP3

    if so, when you change to multi-track mode, they change behavior. Each one then corresponds to a track, and not the file format.
    anyway... I have checked the manual, and it says that multi-tracking is only done in MP3 format (despite the size of your card memory -- mine is 4 GB).

    it's strange if your Zoom H4 can do so, because I think there are no different versions of it, are there?

    PS: I'm always updating my firmware.
     
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    Andreas...

    I have also a question.

    I never add any reverb to my recordings (someone here at PS said I don't need it). but I do some equalizing, which was suggestion of Didier. (because I'm really not good at this kind of discussion... I do not know how to to these things).
    Didier suggested me to add some bass and some frequency which seems to be weak in my piano -- 100 Hz (as yours, my piano is also a Grotrian-Steinweg, but an upright).

    if I don't do this, the sound becomes dry. if you want to check and see how it sounds... all my late recordings have this equalizing, but I didn't do anything to my Bach French Suite and Partita. these Bach recordings have no equalizing.

    you said we should send you the file with no reverberation. but this is equalizing. each one of us has different needs regarding equalizing... so maybe I could send you the file after the equalizing (or I could send you both versions, and then you check which one is better).
     
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    Felipesarro wrote:
    O.k., thank you, I will look, if I can find a similar function in Wave Lab.
    And it´s really nice, that you tranlated your Spanish into English. :wink:

    May be I´m wrong, Felipe. Then, when I did the mulit-track-recording with our Rachmaninov 6-hand-pieces (with MOnica and Alfonso) I thought I have choosen the 44.1 Khz button, but if you say it´s in the manual you will probably right and I´m in error (I´m just talking from my memory here). In every case like we now we three then have agreed on using only 44.1 khz-recordings for our audio-montage, and I can´t remember to have resampled a mp3-file into a 44.1-wave-file, so it must have worked, I suppose. But I think, I will have a look this evening and see how it was. (Whew, always so much question about the technique, isn´t it?!) I also don´t think, that there are two versions of the Zoom H4-advice.
     
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    let me show you my equalizing.
     
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    Felipesarro wrote:
    I also trust the advices by Didier, he really is an expert concerning the audio-engineering.

    But that´s very fine, it will be not too bad for our common recording, that you have also a Grotrian-Steinweg, my tuner always says, that´s the third best brand of german pianos (after Steinway and Bösendorfer).

    I recently listened a bit to your last Bach-recordings. I will listen again as soon as possible and write you my opinion to the sound.

    Please, do send me both versions, without any editing (that means also without equalization) and one with your standard-equalization. I will see, what I feel to be better. Principally I would prefer a uniform equalization for us three, but on the other side you are right, we are not recording in the same "studio" (environment) and not under the same conditions. This is always a little problem in such projects as we do actually. (But I have to say, then with Alfonso, Monica and me we had a mostly uniform sound, reseptive the differences in sound-character and sound-quality were not too disturbing IMO, and many others said so, too.)
     
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    Felipesarro wrote:
    I see, that you lift a bit the bass-area. But which one of the two settings do you use exactly, or do you use both?
     
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    I use both.

    PS: I just checked my Zoom manual, and I saw it records in WAVE format, even in multi-track mode. but I remember there were limitations... maybe it can't be above 44.1 Hz (I think this is the limitation). it's not stereo (though there is a way to join two tracks so that you have a stereo recording). anyway... Zoom has such a terrible interface. it's very difficult to use it. I remember it took me a long time to realize how to use that "menu" button. hehe
     
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    Oh man, you guys. I've just been battling with my computer the past hour. Thought I killed it completely this time! I tried to download that Nero program so that I could try to edit out the clipping myself. But it was such a huge file and clogged up things on my computer and then just when it finally got to the point of installing it, I got a message that asked for the serial number. I thought it was a free program - so I didn't have a serial number. So after getting all the bugs out of my computer and uninstalling the program - I think I have things working again ok on my computer. Felipe, I was hoping to save you the trouble, but looks I will have to send you my file. It's in wav format right now - do I need to convert to mp3 first?
     
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    hi, Monica!

    Nero is not free. hehe
    I've bought it.

    there is a free version of it, which does not have WaveEditor. (I like WaveEditor because it's easy to use. it's sure not very advanced... but it has some nice plug-ins with good pre-settings. I'm used to record LPs and use the plug-ins to remove the crackles.)

    you must send me the file in the same format Andreas asked: 44.1 kHz 16 bits (I don't remember if it was 16 or 24 bits)
     
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    Hello, guys (and Monica!)

    I'm greatly impressed with the amount of technical care (equalization, etc.) that is being taken here about the quality of the music. I am very eager to listening to the final quality which I am sure will be very good.

    Marcelo
     
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    mgasilva wrote:
    Thank you for your interest and solicitousness, Marcello. :D
     
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    Felipesarro wrote:
    O.k., thank you.

    So, I think I have recorded in 44.1 Khz then and yes, I used this option to combine two files to a stereo-track. Yes, I agree, the handling of the Zoom H4 very often is quite a fumble-work. :lol:
     
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    Pianolady wrote:
    I know such things, Monica. Don´t worry, be happy! :D (I just want to console you a bit.)
     
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    Felipe - thank you for trying to fix my recording. But I am still not happy with it. That buzzy noise on the loud parts will drive me crazy later on, I know it.

    Andreas - you can console me more than just a little bit now, because I have decided to trash these recordings and video and do it all over again next week. I still don't know what happened with my recorder - why it made some files way too loud yet another file was fine. You can be sure that I will double - make that triple check this when I make my re-recordings.

    I'm planning on doing the job this coming Tuesday right after my exercise class (maybe I'll look skinnier? hopefully? )

    Sorry for the delay....

    btw - Felipe - how did my playing sound? Is there anything you think I could improve?
     
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    I'm sorry, Felipe, but this project has been halted. I'll explain the reasons to you by private email.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that! Monica, whatever it is, I'm sure there will be a chance to come back to this in the future.
     
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