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Discussion in 'Pianists' started by rachmaninoff, Jun 27, 2006.
why is everyone doing so high about horowitz? what has he what other pianist don't have?
Reputation. And virtuosity.
but everyone seems to like his playing but I don't .
there are so much viruosi and people with a great reputation but everyone you hear; they don't have the level of horowitz. Its always the same and it makes me sick that people going to discus who is better.
I like jonathan oshry very much. He learned bethoven PC 5 in 2 weeks out of his had and performed that. But if you don't know that you can't say Horowitz is better. Most of the people who sais that horowitz is better than.... only knows horowitz and his reputation. I have seen him making lots and lots of mistakes but people don't look at that with horowitz but they burning the other pianist who are making the samemistake off to the ground.
well for a start Horowitz is a much more romantic pianist whos feeling in his songs can not be compared to any other pianist.
P.S you should see him play, hes the only one who can play that quick with his technique :roll:
I understand what you mean. The first time I heard Horowitz, I also didn't like it too much. He plays with a lot of feeling and dynamiscs sometimes, and sometimes extremely fast. Sometimes I don't like it.
But what is so special about his recordings is that they always shock you, because of the way it's played. It has so many new aspects, suprising people mostly. That's what is so great about Horowitz.
Horowitz has a control of color and pedalling that is unparalleled. He has mastered the art of sounding amazing, which is much different to just playing fast.
it also depends on which recordings you have. some are better than others. try his last recording... :shock:
He also has a power that noone else has or have had. I have never heard anyone produce the sound he does on the lower octaves. Take Rach's 2:nd Sonata for example. It even does not sounds like a grand/piano anymore.
But I like his way of expressions more than his power. Ever heard him play Chopin's mazurka i A-minor from op.17 (no.4)? Incredible! So delicate.
I got the rachmaninoff sonata in B on cd It's very good and I try to play with that much power on the lower part of the piano. It's so hard to play loud wit much expression and with mo mistakes.
playing soft is very difficult but playing hard is also very difficult because you have less controle! 1cm to far and you have another tone.
]why is everyone doing so high about horowitz? what has he what other pianist don't have?
He also has kind of a bell sound with is unique. Also, he seemed like a really nice person on the interviews I have seen and heard with him. But he did not do everything good. Kind of spoiled Chopin's 1:st Ballade. Never liked that interpretation.
He "knows the music ups and down" :shock:
but that doesn't say youre the one
if you putt horowitz against alexei sultanov, Who is better?
I think sultanov was because he has very much expression played very good but you like him of you dislike him.
If that´s true, it does not really speak in Horowitz´s favour. The kind of playing you describe is typical for him:
he´s more like an athlete or a showman, but not a great musician.
Watching Horowitz is when you're pulled in by his artistic gravity. Audio alone doesn't do him justice.
That is true. He is one of the pianists I enjoy most on video.
A was very clever showman for sure but I think he had a great sence for music as well. But he searched for opportunities in the music to make use of the dynamics he was able to produce.
Rachmaninov's 2nd Sonata is a failure as composition imo. It's a lot of pianistic tissue thinly disguised as a Sonata, Rachmaninov himself did not know what to do with it. The second movement is beautiful, the first mvt. is unfocused and confused, the third is OK but kind of repetitive. But it gives a great artist ( and great artists only) a chance to display their wares. If Horowitz was not a great musician than he could not have acheived this feat. I have heard this piece played live satisfactorily or worse by several pianists but only well (or better) on two occasions by one pianist; HOROWITZ. On recordings only John Ogdon can equal or come close to him in this piece.
Why this piece is suddenly popular with pianists is beyond me. Scriabin was a greater master of sonata form than Rachmaninov (concerti excepted) and his sonatas are still underplayed.
Oh well, that's beyond me... :?
But leave alone.
Whose interpretation do you like... :roll:
Let´s see what another world-class pianist had to say about Horowitz; a quote by austrian pianist Friedrich Gulda::
"... I never did like Horowitz much. This tiger-like piano-playing, I have been immunised against it by the school I attended. All serious musicians from Vienna, among them my teacher, always have been watching out not to overrate this kind of piano-playing - as audiences worldwide did it. They said, well , he can thunder Tchaikovsky´s music very fast and very loud, and marry Toscanini´s daughter, but nevertheless unfortunately he does not know very much about the important music. That´s why I always had difficulties taking this man serious. And this showing-off is really disgusting to me, without the appropriate basis. Well, now he´s dead, and you should not run down dead people, but it just didn´t impress me. And then on one occasion I had to hear a sonata of Haydn played by him, and he stood there like a dying duck in a thunderstorm, it was just embarrassing. ..."
(from the book: "Mein Leben ist ein Skandal" ("My life is a scandal"), translation by me)
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