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Granados - Spanish Dances

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  1. pianolady

    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    These two Spanish Dances are re-dos. The no. 2 dance - In my earlier recording I was not happy with my trills and also felt the tempo to be a bit sluggish, so I've tried to correct these things. But really - I just love this piece so much! Especially the middle section - it's got that sultry and seductive sound. I call it 'sexy music'. Sort of like the third piece in Bartok's Romanian Folk Dances - more 'sexy music'. 8) :lol:

    I'm dedicating this Spanish Dance no. 6 to Chris, because I know that he knows how much fun this piece is to play. :wink:
    I've been wanting to improve my playing of it for a long time, but kept procrastinating because I knew what it would do to me. And yep - I'm right; my wrists are killing me and I'm a complete wreck! There are about two or three lines in here that are so outrageously hard to play at top speed and I have never come out of it unscathed. Not sure I got it much better than my first version, but at least I improved the soft middle section, so that's something anyway....

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    Granados - Spanish Dances No. 2 "Oriental"

    Granados - Spanish Dances No. 6, "Rondalla Aragonesa"
     
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    richard66 Richard Willmer Piano Society Artist

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    I am not with the score right now (so excuse me for any foolish remarks), but I remember the "Oriental" fairly well (repertoire). Consider the fist part as being thus divided:

    aabaca'

    In section c do I hear the left hand chord on the first bar being played broken, that is not g/b but g followed by b? My edition has them stuck together.

    I am curious, what edition do you use? Mine seems to follow yours very closely but I once came across one with the following differences:

    as above:

    aabaca'

    but with the trill on a' an octave lower (ie, the whole of a' is an octave lower than a) and there is a repeat at the reexposition, that is, instead of

    abaca' it is aabca'.

    Which one would the correct one?

    I shall try to follow these with the score anon.
     
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    Yeh I know all about this one. It's about as much fun as twenty push-ups, and twice as hard. No coincidence that my one-time projected CS seems to have stalled after no. 5 :roll:

    I don't remember the details of the previous version but this sounds pretty good. Said passages sound a bit labored still and not entirely clean, but nothing to worry about.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Thanks, Chris. I considered taking the whole thing slower - like starting much slower so that by the end of the accelerando I would not have to be quite as fast and then could probably manage all the jumps and cross-overs better. Maybe next time...

    Richard - sorry, I am not quite following you. I'm using a Dover edition and I'm pretty sure all my trills are played on the same octave as how I've heard this piece played by others.
     
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    richard66 Richard Willmer Piano Society Artist

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    It might just be that both my editions get it wrong: they are no great shakes anyway.
     
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    Hi Monica,
    to no. 2: very musical and expressive playing. Your performance seems quite perfect to me. I really like that piece. May be I will play it myself one day.
    to no. 6: Bravo! That´s a quite demanding piece, which also would have some attractivity for me to play in one day may be. It´s really well played. My only suggestions for improvement are the two following:
    1) the fff-part containing the grace notes could have more of the spanish proudness, that means steadiness and force.
    2) The rhythm in the first Andante-section is a bit "unfirm", because the first quarter note of some bars is a bit too long.

    In summary a very good performance. Bravo, Torrero! :wink:
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Hi again, Andreas. Thanks for the tips in helping to play the pieces better. I'll make notes in the scores. The only thing about no. 6 is that during that fff part with the grace notes, one is still supposed to be accelerating and it's so hard to get the jumps and be super-loud and all that. I love this piece too except for that one line really....although I'm thinking about playing it live for a group of piano friends in a couple weeks. We'll see...I may chicken out.

    Okay, bye Torrero! (except I don't know what that is :lol: )
     
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    musicusblau Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Pianolady wrote:
    What, you don´t know, what a torero is, though you play so much Spanish Dances?! :eek:
    I´m just sorry that I have written the word incorrectly above by accident. A torero is someone who fights with bulls with a red kerchief like we do with our piano sometimes, metaphorical spoken. :lol: In Spain this is a typical national sport.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Ohhhh - I know what you're talking about. It's this, right? :lol: The word I am used to is 'toreador' and also 'matador'.


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    musicusblau Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Wow, what a funny picture! I can really feel Bachs mind streaming from my head to that body. :lol: You have done a great montage here, Monica! First, I have thought, only the picture with my head was a collage and your one a real one, but then I looked at the hats and I thought, your picture also must be a montage, isn´t it so? How did you find a female torero (o.k. also toreador or matador, if you prefer, but I also have found "torero" in my English dicitionary)?

    Now I will sing my Bach-like tune for you as an award for your splendid torero-montages:
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Ah, so you have figured out my little remark to you regarding you looking like a matador! :wink: We also use just the plain old word 'bullfighter'.

    I made this image using Photoshop. I love to play around with it! I got the images of the 'toreadors' or 'matadors' or 'bullfighters' from a website that sells costumes. I just took off their heads and replaced them with ours! :lol:

    And now Bach and you are one in the same. See?

    [​IMG]


    Oh, and now I see you are both in the arena and ready to fight the bull :!:

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    Wow, that are really nice montages.
    Nevertheless I´m convinced, our master Bach will show his great mastership not only as a composer, but also as a bullfighter: he will win against that bull, which more looks like a dog with little horns and me even more, outmatched as we are because of our physical size! One soft "cick" with a foot by me or Bach and that poor animal will be over the railings lying in the arms of a proud woman, who is sitting in the public, being highly delighted by that present of her great hero (me or Bach respective Bach or me, to be polite). I´m still enjoying the elation cries by that woman, who is cheering to her great heros, me and Bach (woa, it feels so good to mention me and him, seeing our names so close in this heroic context, though he seems to be my rival from now on)! :lol:
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Very good and imaginative description, Andreas! Especially the part about the bull looking more like a dog with small horns. :lol:
    Well, I guess that's it for the Photoshop goofing-around-time (for now). Except, really I should have put Granados' head in here somewhere. Hmm...... :lol:
     
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    Monica, thanks for reminding me about these great, warm-blooded, pieces. Your recording of Number 2, in particular, is a pleasure to listen to!

    Bruce
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Thank you, Bruce. Warm-blooded is a good way to describe Granados' music. That and the Merlot I'm drinking right now. Two very nice things!!
     
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    Maybe also, intoxicating? :wink:
     
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    Hi Monica,

    The tempo sounds perfect in the "Oriental" Spanish Dance No.2.

    Kaila Rochelle
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Good one, Bruce! :lol:

    Thank you, Kaila. :)
     

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