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Godowsky - Triakontameron nos. 6 and 9

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  1. pianolady

    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    These kind of sound similar, but I've had them sitting on my piano for awhile now and needed a change from the other pieces I'm working on.

    The Enchanted Glen - I picked it because of the title - it wasn't easy to learn, though. There must be a hundred accidentals. And if my piano sounds a little different, it is because the soft pedal is used almost the entire time.

    The Pleading Troubadour - can you hear the other instrument here and there?


    Godowsky - Triakontameron - 6: The Pleading Troubadour

    Godowsky - Triakontameron - 9: Enchanted Glen
     
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    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Can't listen to these right now. My new script on the server emails me new attachments allright but I forgot to deal with stuff that goes directly into the live directory.

    From the Triakontameron items I know (about a dozen) these are the two I like least, they seem a bit bland to me. Nevertheless I'll be interested to hear how convincing you bring them.
     
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    Never heard these before, I trust you that you played them well. Some of the trills from The Pleading Troubadour remind me of a Chopin composition, which I cannot recall exactly.

    thanks for sharing.

    -jg
     
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    Nice playing, Monica. I'd perhaps feel them a bit more emotionally intense, but it's just my conception of Triakontameron. IMO, Alt Wien ("looking backwards with a smile through tears") epitomizes quite well the climate of this set.
     
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    Never heard them either. Quite interesting, especially #9. Your playing and phrasing is fine and comfortable, Monica.
     
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    Good quality work as always. No. 9 is very nice though even more attention could be paid to the many dynamic changes. Those leading up to the recapitulation are really well done, but elsewhere there seems too little contrast. Still, a convincingly lilting rendition. In no.6 I do not quite hear the little decrescendi within the bars, eg. bars 2 and 3. These chords, indeed the whole performance, seem a bit stiff and inflexible, so that the piece does not have the yearning charm it needs. There's so much going on in this music ! Having said that, I'd probably have done it much the same, and received the same comment.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Thanks for listening, Julius, Alfonso, Pantelis, and Chris.

    Chris - the dynamics on no. 9 are mostly pp everywhere. But on no. 6 you are right. I never saw those little diminuendo signs before. :shock: Thanks, I'll circle them.
     
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    Not everywhere. There's quite some variation on the second page, it goes: mf - p - mp - f - mf - p - pp - pp. Not that I could bring out all these subtle shadings.

    Actually, one would typically play these with a little diminuendo even if it was not indicated. One of the first things I learnt in my adult lessons.
     
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    I like Godowsky's music, but I also find it somewhat obscure.
    I never had patience to listen to Trikantomeron, so this is my first listening. :lol:

    these are nice, anyway.

    uh...
    you think that just circling them everything is ok?
    I'd like to have this ability. I'd circle Rachmaninov 3rd, then I'd play it. :lol:

    btw: recently I have printed the score of Godowsky's piano sonata, which I like so much.
    Have quit reading it at the very first page. :shock:
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Thanks for listening, Felipe.


    No. 9 - yes, the second page does have those marking. I think I did them and also I took the soft pedal off so there is a difference in sound too. Think I'll blame the recorder if this is undetectable.
    It's not me, of course. :x :wink: :lol:

    Me too. :oops: My teacher reminds me often about tapering off the end of slurs. Seems I am a very slow learner.
     
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    Hi Monica,

    Very nice playing. I particularly liked the Enchanted Glen. I think you could still infuse it with even more romantic nostalgia. But it's still very enjoyable to hear.

    On circling those dynamics: I'm with you. When I undertake a piece, I go through it with a fine tooth comb circling everything, coloring in cresc. and dimin. signs, tenuto marks, inner lines to be voiced, a translation for a seldom seen Italian term, etc. etc. I also enter useful fingerings where helpful. I find those flags indispensable, as otherwise I can get too focused on notes. Plus I like to mark up scores to analyze the structure as well as writing in pointers to insights for performance. I know some people keep their scores pristine as the day they bought them, but not me. While I draw breath and play the piano, I figure who has a better right to totally utilize and enjoy these scores than the pianist who owns them--me? I'm sure you feel much the same way about it.

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    Monica,

    Add my name to the list of those who had never heard these before. Nicely done! I especially liked the Pleading Troubadour. Nice phrasing.

    Ed
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Thanks David and Ed.

    David - Yes, my scores are marked up a lot too. Regular pencil for most things, and red pencil for places where I repeatedly make mistakes and need something that shouts out, "ok, moron - here comes that ?? spot. Get it right this time!"

    Ed - I have only learned five of the triakontameron. There are thirty, so I haven't heard most of these either. I'd like to learn a few more if there are any 'easier' ones left. :wink:
     
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    Thank to you, Monica, I have listened some Godowski's music for the first time. No great ambition in these pieces, I guess, but it is well written, the harmonies are quite rich - not far from some jazz like Art Tatum's; and this music fits with your style. Congratulations !
     
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    Bravo, Monica! I loved these pieces and espically nr. 9. I followed with score and I have to say: you deserve really a great praise for to have won the battle with all these b-accidentals in nr. 9.
    You play them both very musically and without flaws as far as I see it in this moment (it´s not so easy with all the accidentals).
    A great achievement!
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Thank you Francois and Andreas.

    Andreas - won the battle, that's funny. Too bad he didn't just write this in a different key!

    Francois, and others who are new to Godowsky’s Triakatmeraon - you should listen to more from this set. Particularly, Alt Wien, like what Alfonso mentions is the most popular and rightfully so. From what I’ve heard so far, each piece is charming and has interesting harmonies and rhythms. I hope to explore more of them myself.
     
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    Same happens with me. :roll:
     
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    There are, but also those ones which seem less easy fit incredibly well under the hands. Godowsky really knew how to write to advantage of the pianist. Your present go at Triakontameron pushed me to look again at this set and after being done with my current Grieg LPs project I'm going to learn Nos.11-16-30. Some more could follow, I like very much this great collection. Do you already know which ones you want to take up next? It'd be great combining PS members efforts and complete the whole set. I think that beyond you, me and Chris, also Felipe may be interested and I'd rave for Andreas playing at least one number from Triakontameron.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    So you’re doing Alt Wien too – I will be interested to hear your version.

    No – I don’t know what other ones I want to do yet. But I like the idea of a PS collaboration to complete the set.

    What Lyric Pieces are you doing? I’ve just started Op. 65 no. 6 “Wedding Day at Troldhaugen”. I really, really love this piece! Really! I’m just crazy about it. Don’t know why I never played it before. I love it! It’s my new favorite Grieg piece.

    btw - Did you feel the earthquake where you live?
     
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    I like Godowsky, but as previously said, I never heard Trikantomeron.
    so you must choose which ones would be for me. :wink:
     

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