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  1. MindenBlues

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    Should not cost more than 5 Euro. And you can sing out of tune in the Glenn Gould style while recording the piano playing. With the advantage that it not captured... I wished Glenn Gould would have recorded this way.
     
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    Well I think I have cured some of the problems with my recordings (no I did not go out and buy a grand piano and no it is not CD quality :x ). But I turned up the volume on my keyboard and the input volume of the edirol (but I still kept it off the keyboard because it reduced, as well as turning up the volume, the key-plopping, but with some occasions it is still present)

    The Liszt Waltz- I slowed down the tempo a bit to get the waltz "one-two-three" in time when the forte section is played. Though, (I will let you formulate your own opinion) there is still a little skip in the base, I think it is caused by that ornament in the right hand to interupt the audible waltz beat heard throughout the piece. I also tapped the pedal a few times to carry over the half notes and noted the accents and staccatos to the best of my ability and of my instrument. (again blame the key-plopping...well if you do then it is actually me and my shallow pockets to blame :p )

    Tchaik Sick Doll- I held down the notes in the base for the full value (or what I conceive as "full") I also added a pinch of rubato to the stew at the end of part one (after the repeat) to the beginning of part two. I did not want to overkill (and get into the habit of using) the rubato. So it is minimal at best, but hopefully noticeable to a degree. Also at the end I started to slow down at 1/2 way through the long crescendo to the very end.

    Tchaik Doll's Burial- Let see if this submission is louder than the first. It is hard (damn hard with a keyboard) to play "ppp" "pp" and "p" because there is a limit to the keys' sensitivity, eventually it will not even register, whereas with an accustic piano the range is far greater and far more sensitive. I observed the rests and the slurs (though the slurs are still a puzzle to me...I was never taught how to go about observing them, and my music dicitionary does not have the term "slur" in it :? ) I also retarded the LH in bar 15 and at the mirrored end.

    I am leaving out the German Dance for a while until I can make major improvements....until then...

    I am including a new submission of "In Church" from Tchaikovsky's series of Album from the Young (I think it is number 23). Hopefully I can get it right with only one submission. I think this number would sound better transcribed for the organ....eh Chris or even Joe (c'mon peer pressure :twisted: c'mon,haha! )

    I have been playing a couple of selections from Tchaikovsky for a while. Someday in the future I will complete the Opus. But I fear pieces like the Neopolitan Song will be a slaughter. It is already giving me trouble (the left hand....gah! I think it has a mind of its own!)


    These are just some of my own opinions. By all means do not hold them as absolute. You be the judge, that is why I submit them here.

    Thank you for your ears...again and your commentary...again :!:

    _the juuf
     
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    juufa72 New Member Piano Society Artist

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    by the way. That Waltz was composed when Liszt was 12 years old (1823).
     
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    anyone????
     
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    Still reeling from the experience .... :p
     
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    :x :!:
     
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    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Hold your horses, I was just busy listening and replying.

    In the Church - I liked the first half, the chanting of Russian Orthodox monks. You are truly into the spirit here. A little more dynamics please, if your kb allows it. But, your rhythm is funny. Like bar 1 is ok, bar 2 is too short, bar 3 is ok, but bar 4 you play as 3/8 instead of 2/4, ignoring the dotted first notes. Not that it distracts much, chant is flexible, but it's wrong. Count to 4 in each bar, or use the metronome to find the spots where you do it (which is almost every other bar).

    The 2nd half - tolling (rather than pealing) Russian bells. Despite marked pp, I believe this should (as from the repeated bass notes) sound more sonorous than the 1st half. You play it very wimpy, and cut the tempo as well. Be a bit more assertive here, and by all means use pedal - over the full length of the bar, except perhaps the few bars that modulate (but even then you can hold it as this the nature of bells). Don't be afraid to speak out ! The other thing is, if you start so very softly, you stand no chance for the perdendosi at the end.

    The other items sound definitely bettter already. More steady in tempo - though not optimal yet. The keyboard does not actually sound too bad. This time I did not notice much extra noises, and also no great difference in volume. But I think you should not be re-submitting pieces after working on them for only two days.... Take some weeks and the difference will be amazing.
     
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    back to the dungeons! muahahaha :twisted:

    thanks for the comments.
     
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    Better stop playing that dungeons game and go practising :lol:
     
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    I don't know the Church piece at all.
    I think your rhythm on the Liszt piece was better. Maybe the left hand is just a bit too heavy in the middle part.
    I like the Doll Burial better. For one thing, I could hear it (I didn't have to turn my speakers up full blast) and I think you increased your tempo a little, which I like.
    I found nothing wrong with the Sick Doll.
     
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    Juuf these are good. Keep doing what you're doing and raise the bar for yourself in terms or repertoire difficulty a little bit with each new piece you learn. Some suggestions...

    Fur Elise

    Selections from Schumann's Op.68 Album for the Young

    Beethoven Sonatas Op.49

    Prokofiev Album for the Young Op.65 (I think the op. # is correct, not sure)

    Bartok Mikrokosmos Book 4

    Chopin Preludes in em, bm and A and a Mazurka in F, op. posth I think. Not sure which it is.

    Keep up the good work.




    8)
     
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    juufa72 New Member Piano Society Artist

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    don't me fooled by my auditions Arensky. I split my practicing between easy pieces (though now being rejected twice :wink: :wink: :lol: , it causes me to believe that these are easily-hard) and more difficult pieces: such as Hungarian Rhapsodie #5, Schumann Etudes after Paganini Caprices #5, and a piece by Bortkiewisz (spelling?) .. It is a matter of execution. I feel more comfortable play the harder pieces, above, by myself and for myself. I do not like to perform infront of an audience and even recording gets my heart pumping a little. :x

    Thanks anyways. Maybe next week or the following I'll resubmit for the third time :D :?
     
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    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    You have not been rejected, we just did not discuss whether to put these up or not. Actually I thought you wrote it was not meant for the site but I now see that only referred (rightly so) to the German song. If you'd like these up the site, no problems with that ! Though I still believe that with some more effort you can still do a lot better, and you'll be more proud of it.

    I think that is quite common. But as Schumann already said, it is better (and far more difficult) to play a simple piece really well, than to play a difficult piece raggedly. The trick is to learn to hear what you actually produce, rather than what you'd like to hear. Listening to yourself critically is essential practice (something Hamelin said, I think).
     
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    I agree with Schumann's view. I believe that to bring off a piece with roughly 20 notes is a lot harder than bringing off a piece than say 2000 notes (musically. I am not compairing Satie Gymnopedies to Balakirev's Islamey). It is due to the fact that the audience and yourself can critique each rising and falling of the hammers with more scrutiny (sorry I cannot spell today).

    Therefore I liked being critiqued with a hard fist compairable of that to Stalin's. :wink: It'll only prove beneficial...

    but once I do manage to win the ears of the listeners, then, yes Techneut, I would like to be on this website. :D
     
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    Can you send me a bio (and a photo if you have it, recognizable and without a gun :) ) and tell me how to properly spell your last name, and I will put you up, except the German Dance.
    Will you continue with the AftY ? I played though it the other day, first time since many years, and was struck by how much great music is in there.
     
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    yes I will PM you with the bio and such. But not after I get a better recording submitted (maybe sometime next week or so). I think I haved solved the issue of the volume. I just placed the edirol on my speaker :? . And then turned down the volume on the keyboard. Sure I lost a little bit of quality, but it is louder and no more key-plopping (well 85% gone). Every now and then I will submit a piece on a different piano (either at my church, at school, or a piano from the "piano group meetings" I attened to every 5 weeks). So no one has to bear with the sound of my "wonderful" keyboard :x

    And yes, Album for the Young is full of great music. I will try my best to see how much I can get done. But I fear that pieces like Neopolitan Song and German Song will get the best of me. I hate the left hand in the N.S. (what do you call those? triplets?)


    Thank you.

    -JG


    p.s. G stands for "Grocholski" (pronounced "grow-hole-ski"....or joking around with a dutch friend of ours, it would be "van der Groch" :lol: )
     
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    Alright. I had enough! I firmly believe that this is the best I can do with "In Church." If it is not good enough I will just leave it as that and burn the sheet music. :twisted:

    I also am submitting another piece: Mozart's Minuet in Dmajor k.7 Just to kill the time between now and when I submit the FINAL draft of the other three pieces (Liszt waltz, and two other Tchaik pieces).


    Please comment on the sound level (DO NOT TURN YOUR SPEAKERS UP!) I relocated the edirol to make up for the volume lost. But at a cost of keyboard sound quality. Does it work better than the other tries? Should I leave the edirol here or just go back and place it on a chair?


    Thank you.

    -Julius

    oh by the way. You'll be able to get through this submission in one sitting. :wink: I'm not superman afterall. :x
     
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    Nice playing! Cute and charming pieces. Since I don't have the score to any, I can't make too much commentary, other than they sound very good to me.
     
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    Very good ! That Minuet is cute, I did not know it. Nothing to niggle about except you must take care not to hurry the end of phrases (this is particularly audible the first time, just before the repeat). If you do anything there, tempo wise, let it be a _slight_ ritenuto but do not go faster.

    The Church is must better, seems you have taken my hints. Rhythmically it is ok, the chant sounds very solemn and intense, and the 'bell' section is properly sonorous now.

    So, these two will be your debut on the site. I'll put you up later today. Looking forward to more AftY items from you.
     

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