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Faure, 6th Barcarolle, Op. 70 in E flat

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  1. Rachfan

    Rachfan Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Last evening I was poking through some of my older recordings and came across my rendition of the Faure's 6th Barcarolle. Although the 5th Barcarolle is probably the most famous and well known of the set, the 6th has always been my personal favorite. So I thought I'd post it for the Faure fans here as there is no recording of it in the PS archive. True to Faure's idiom, the tonal centers are constantly shifting, but to marvelous effect. It perhaps depicts a small sailboat bounding over the coastal swells on a sunny day.

    The naming protocols are my originals. If there is any interest in the recording, I'd be glad to change the naming and tagging information to PS' standard settings.

    I hope you'll enjoy hearing this music.

    At the end of June I hope to have a new recording ready. (No hints at this time. :lol:)

    David

    Faure - Barcarolle No. 6 in E flat major, Op. 70
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Hi David,
    This interested me because I have just started working on one of Faure's Barcarolles too - a different one than yours here.
    This one is nice and pretty (the one I'm working on is a lot different!). And it's played very well! The sound quality is not so good; there is a lot of hiss. It would be great if you could eliminate it with an editing program. But if you can't, then I would be willing to put this up as is. Let me know. If you want this exact file to go up, then yes please correct the tags and title.
     
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    Rachfan Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    Hi Monica,

    Here is a cleaner replacement file for the Faure Barcarolle if you'd like to put it up. The naming and tag info has been correctly entered. But on my last post, Chris said he could tell that I did the naming properly but it displayed instead as symbols, but where he knows programming he could tell that I had formatted it correctly. He had to then override that with the naming as it should have appeared. I had no control over it. Hopefully this one will display correctly as have all of my others previously submitted. The uploading of this file is taking forever! Will there be a way to move the music file up to my original post?

    Looking forward to hearing your Faure.

    David
     
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    This probably Faure's most popular, appealing and sunny Barcarolle, the first one I came to know.
    It is artistically played, and I like the way you bring out the middle voice in some places, I had never really noticed that voice and will take heed of
    it from now on. I don't hear much if any hiss, but I don't have Monica's hiss-specialized ears.
    Now I have to be honest and say that I have some problems with this recording:

    1) The tempo seems much too slow and rigid. This could be personal of course. But I believe this music should flow and swing a bit.
    2) The piano sounds rather clangorous.
    3) There is far too much pedal, or in any case it's not always released in time.
    4) There are a couple of hesitations/page turns which you should really cut out. This would NOT diminish your performance.
    5) I thought there were some dropped notes and maybe some passages not played as written. Would have to follow with score to be sure.

    Sorry to be a bit critical !
    Naming and tagging looks fine to me, the one tag you forgot is 'Album' but this is no big deal.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Ok, the file sounds swimmy, but I guess there is less hiss now. Chris probably listened to the second file here. Anyway, I do not know this piece and therefore didn't know your tempo is too slow. Do you still want it on the site?
     
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    Didn't know there were two versions, was hiss removed ? Usually that does not improve sound quality. I probably would not have heard it in the first version, these days I don't notice hiss if it slapps me in the face :)

    It's just my opinion that it is too slow. If David is following a metronome mark or the example of some great pianist, then I've no problem with it.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    I don't recall hearing hiss in your recordings; are you eliminating it in your post-processing?
     
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    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

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    No I don't. I know my recordings with the Edirol had considerable hiss, I think it's better since I have a Tascam, but probably still there. I am surprised you
    don't hear any.
     
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    Hi Chris and Monica,

    This is a 1986 recording, but I was able to edit out the hiss successfully. As for the tempo, the only recording I have is Jean-Philippe Collard's. At the time, I knew my tempo was a bit slower. I just tried to play the CD now, but Windows player is not cooperating, so I'll have to figure it out tonight. Nonetheless, I do believe that the music is expressive at the chosen speed. The Baldwin piano sound is different now due to the 2007 rebuilding. Regarding pedaling, I believe that Faure and Debussy's works can generally use more pedal than most other composers' works. Also much of the music is in the treble and high treble which allows for more pedal. Half pedal releases are used extensively in this genre as well. Having said that, do I use more judicious pedal now than 30 years ago? I hope so! :) Yes, I know of those two page turns. Whenever I try those kinds of edits, I cringe at the results. There could be a few wrong notes, as I do full recording takes. I would also admit that within the realm of technique, moving linear passage work is not my strongest suit. I'm Old School and look beyond a few wrong notes. I'm more interested in doing a rendition that comports with the composer's wishes, but also allows for some individuality in putting the piece over to the listener.

    Anyway, I'll leave it up to you guys as to whether you want to put it up. If not, I'm sure many people would enjoy hearing it here in Audition Room.

    Sorry about the Album tag. I don't know how I missed it, as I had the guide sheet right in front of me!

    David
     
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    I don’t exactly remember when you switched recorders; I’m pretty sure I remember thinking that your recordings were clear and I was sure it was because of some setting on your editing program. I don’t think recorders like the ones we use can produce hiss-free recordings. I thought only expensive microphones can do that...
     
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    I'm sure I remember hearing hiss when I used Edirol but not so much after that. Could be I'm just going deaf :)
    The only thing I do in postprocessing, except for cutting out flubs, is applying reverb.

    That is probably so. Still I believe the hiss of a good one like the Tascam is neglectable or in any case acceptable.
     
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    Then maybe that has caused the sound to be more swimmy and give me the impression it's overpedaled ? Hard to know as I did not hear the first version.

    Ha ! His recordings introduced me to Faure too. As they
    did to Rachmaninov's Etudes-Tableaux. Marvellous recordings from Collard, IIRC.

    Maybe we should have a poll ? That would be democratic !
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    "neglectable" is not a word. The one you want is "negligible".

    I think the Edirol is actually the better of the two recorders; the Edirol is substantially more expensive, or so I thought. But it’s certainly possible that current recorders are even better nowadays. My Edirol still works fine, but the cord is on the way out…again. I’m on the second one, and it’s being held together with electrical tape. I don’t know if I should purchase another cord, or just bite the bullet and get a new recorder.

    Ok, back to David’s recording. I’ll put this up since I already said I would, and we don’t already have a recording of this piece on the site. We make a fuss about requiring good sound quality, though, so David I think it’s fine if you wish to post some of your older recordings. From now on they can remain in the forum, but not go up onto the main site. I know you’ve basically said that already, so I hope you are okay with it... :)
     
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    It sure is, see http://www.wordnik.com/words/neglectable
    Not all the world is American !

    Maybe yours is, mine certainly wasn't. Anyway, any modern recorder is fine for the purpose I think.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist

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    Ok, I have not seen that word before.
     
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    I hear a few infelicities (and indeed a page turn) but nothing fatal, though I'm not following with score. What an infuriating recording: there are some genuinely poetic touches (and I don't find it over-pedalled) but the piano??!!

    I know we've discussed this in the past and even conducted a test regarding the tuning, but this configuration of your piano has surpassed previous incarnations! I know this shouldn't be an issue when talking about music-making, but it honestly sounds almost honky-tonk: I'd forgotten about this issue and was almost speechless when it started. Which is a shame, because it would sound terrific on a better instrument. I'm going to shut up now, for fear that you think I don't like your playing.
     
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    Hi Andrew,

    Please bear in mind that this is a 1986 recording with the 1984 Baldwin and analog recording equipment which in its day was considered to be good. I've gotten very positive remarks on the Baldwin since it was rebuilt in the 2007. Since that rebuild, the only complaints I got were tuning issues, as the new strings took over a year to reach stability (not to mention the climate issues here). From your comment, I took it that you thought the piano was worse now than in the 1980s. I think it's a large improvement. Since you and I did that scale test, I haven't had any bad criticisms on the piano per se. I just wanted to clarify that in defense of the piano. Yes, I know you're not dissatisfied with my playing, so not to worry.

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    No, your current piano is a definite improvement on this '80s piano!
     
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    Hi Chris,

    I've always thought that Collard is tops. l'm just surprised that he hasn't risen to even greater stature over the years. His playing of the French and Russian romantic music is very hard to beat. I don't know how widely he tours. If it's limited, that might explain it, although he has been prolific in issuing recordings. The Rachmaninoff Etudes Tableau recording he released many years ago is still extraordinary.

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    Hi Monica,

    Yes, your "rule" is fine with me. I'm sure I'm now a different pianist is some ways than when I was in my 40s. But in this case, I thought the playing was fairly good, especially where nobody had ever posted this particular Faure barcarolle previously. I doubt it will do any harm in the archive. Thanks for putting it up.

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