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Chopin - Trois Nouvelles Etude no. 3 and Prelude 28-18

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  1. pianoman342

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    Hi Monica,

    I listened to both your Chopin Prelude and the Etude.

    I think you play these very well, the Prelude I think you play very well, your phrasing seems controlled and the "Mannheim Rocket" descending arpeggio at the end sounded quite crisp :)

    The Etude sounds like a real finger-twister. You play it well. I like your IMO 'restrained' style serves you here. You said you have trouble getting the ornaments crisp. I think they sound crisp, though perhaps not as isolated, as with a different type of piece, which is not so polyphonic. At the risk of it being even harder to play, perhaps slow down the tempo a few tics to get the ornaments crisper. Of course that might make it sound metronomic... :x I can't imagine learning this piece. The harmonic rhythm is very brisk, with some modulations so quick as to change by the beat! I don't have the score but just based on what I heard it sounds like the melody is not only in the top voice but also the alto. The harmony at :30 sounds like a F Minor goes to F# Major goes to Ab Minor and a few passing chords in between all within something like 8 beats? :shock: it sounds nice, but hard to play up to speed so I applaud you :)

    Enjoyed hearing these. This repertoire suits you well :p

    Riley
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Hi Monica, I listened to the new versions.

    The prelude - I still don't think it's "big" and angry enough, but that I guess is a matter of interpretation, rather than something concrete being wrong.

    The etude - definitely improved! Is it a touch faster? I'm not sure. It seems to have more of a lilting dance feel about it.
     
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    Really great improvements for both pieces! The etude is definitely much less labored-sounding than your previous recording, and it flows pretty well. Like the above poster I still think your prelude is still too modest sounding, but I find your new recording more convincing than your previous one. The chords at 0:42-ish sound a bit too thin though, especially the first one, which I'm not sure if it is part of the previous phrase or not. A crescendo there might work. The climax is quite delightful however...

    Again, congratulations on such a great improvement.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Hi Andrew. I'm so glad to see you and that you didn't write me off after my dumb post. :D
    Anyway, the prelude - I recorded it right after I recorded the etude and the etude makes my RH hurt a lot. My hand felt like it was on fire while recording the prelude. But even so, I guess I am a weakling; this is the biggest sound I can make. Maybe you can just turn up your speakers? :)

    The etude - yes, it is 20 seconds faster than my previous version. I'm glad to know that it sounds better now.

    Thank you, Jonathan. I think some of those chords just came down differently than I had planned. But since this version came off with not too many slips, I stuck with this one. :)
     
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    These are surely a LOT better than the previous ones. For minor niggling, in the etude you mostly lose the crisp staccato when the other voices come in. Easier said than done, I know. The prelude is still a little too timid, and the unisono passages are a bit choppy.
    But all in all, these are pretty convincing (which I would not say about the first versions).
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Thank you, Chris. Yes, I heard some choppy too. I shouldn't have recorded it after the etude. Maybe I'll have one more go at it next week when I'm stronger.

    Why? What were you afraid of? :p
     
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    richard66 Richard Willmer Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Well well, the Etude now actually like Chopin. A great impovement. I just do not like this talk of hands hurting: that is not at all good. I have played my share of hair-raising stuff and my hand has never hurt.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Thank you, Richard.
    It's just the same old thing - tendonitis that I've been dealing with for years now. This particular piece hurt my RH a lot because of all the 9th intervals. There's one spot near the end that was extremely hard for me to land correctly, so I had to practice it a hundred times.
     
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    Well, this was a confusing stream. I'd been away for a couple of weeks (the past week due to that storm) and listened to two recordings which made sense only after reading the entire message stream (since the recordings had been reposted).

    Anyway, yes, the Etude sounds fine, and I don't know what it sounded like before. And thank you for adding to the Society's repertoire.
    Enough has been said about the Prelude. Due to cowardice, I've never learned the piece and don't feel like critiquing the work of someone braver than me!

    Tendonitis - I'm sure you already know to use heat therapy? The beanbag you throw in the microwave and then wrap around whatever (in my case it's elbows and an injured shoulder)?? In a younger person it can be a result of an unrelaxed approach to the keyboard. In someone my age, my doctor says "You're simply wearing out, my friend." Then there's injuries... (shoveling snow without switching arms occasionally will do it).
     
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    Hi Monica,

    I think these two numbers sound quite well played. In the prelude you feature the wonderful rhythmic drive. Maybe just a tad more power is needed there to make it even more declarative. The etude sounds like a tricky one to play given the different touches required in the RH--legato, staccato, slurs, etc. You articulate it all convincingly in my opinion. I enjoyed hearing both.

    David
     
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    richard66 Richard Willmer Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Time to visit a new medicine man, if you ask me.
     
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    Given a condition like this, I'd avoid pieces that so specifically go against the grain.
     
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    There must be something wrong with your technique. You were so forward when you thought the keys on my old groaner were uneven that I am surprised you let this pass, unless, of course, this tendonitis is not related to the piano. I had something on the top joint of the right pinky which was not related to playing, as it came at a time I was not too active practising and then would not hurt when playing. It has since vanished and all the time I have played two or three hours a day.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Thank you for listening, Stewart. And OMG, I didn't realize you were in New Jersey....what a terrible mess; I feel sorry for everybody on the east coast. I hope your power is on?

    Thank you for listening, David. I guess I should eat my Wheaties before I attempt this one again.... :)

    I know.....I was just trying to find something Chopin that we didn't already have and felt I could play this one. It wasn't so bad at first because I was just casually playing through it. The trouble started when I got serious with it.

    My piano is actually very well balanced. That's one of the reasons I bought it in the first place. The problem is definitely my technique. I am too tense. My last piano teacher often touched my shoulder when I was playing to remind me to relax.

    But you know....talking about what hurts us.... the thing that hurts my wrists the most is painting a wall. Something about that motion just kills me. I can't paint a wall anymore.
     
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    Doesn't it always :roll:
     
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    I was just reading an article about it:

    http://www.pianomap.com/injuries/index.html

    Four of the points there are things that I was taught:

    forearm parallel to the keys
    curved and not curled or straight fingers
    never use wrist movement to play a note
    never play a black key with the thumb or pinky if another fingering is available (that is, avoid twisting the hand).
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Thank you for the link, Richard. I'll read it soon.
     
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    Hi Monica,
    I just listened to your recordings and commend you for your attempts. I thought the etude was delightful, if perhaps under tempo, but generally well executed and voiced -- and quite musical. The prelude did not achieve the same level as the etude for me (and for you apparently). I think that both Andrew and Joe gave you great remarks. Perhaps while you give the works time to simmer, you could continue to play them mentally with score review; this may also allow you to discover some layers/levels of the pieces that you had not seen yet. I am amazed at how much I continue to discover years later in works that I had programmed in the past.
     
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    pianolady Monica Hart, Administrator Staff Member Piano Society Artist Trusted Member

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    Hi Eddy, and thank you for listening. I don't think I will work on the etude anymore because it hurts my hands too much. I have the prelude memorized though, so I might as well video-record it probably next weekend. I know it's not to everyone's liking (my playing it), but at least I can sort of get it out of my system then.
     

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