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Chopin Polonaise-Fantaisie Op 61

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  1. Vladimir Oppenheim

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    I am submitting the piece again after receiving a comment & realizing that equalization done on a previous file has distorted the sound too much. Hope this one sounds closer to original sound as no equalization at all was performed.
     

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    Hi Vladimir,

    The introduction is stated in a dreamy and yet authoritative manner
    and is very effective. The pace enables the listener to grasp the connection
    between the upward arpeggios and the fragmented melodic ongoing links.

    The polonaise is very poetically presented while the left hand is
    crisp without being sharp. You managed to create a feeling of a
    unification throughout this long section.

    The thirds are very clean and then the story continues to be told.

    Technically you really do a good job throughout.

    The well thought melodically poetic and yet not sentimental
    presentation continues. You take great care to have the melodic
    motifs unfold with ease and elegance and yet a slight sense of
    urgency when needed.

    Your playing reminds me of the old school 19th century way of
    taking freedoms in expression that are individualistic.

    I do not understand why the rolling chords right before the slow
    middle section all of a sudden seem louder as
    though the microphone was shifted.

    I think the the slow middle section should be softer. I do love the
    way you express melody in terms of the pacing and dynamic shadings

    Again the trills and thirds are played very well..

    The finale is fantastic.You do not rush and in not rushing
    you make the technically almost impossible sections work while
    keeping the melodic line nuanced.

    I really cannot say enough about this performance. It is wonderful.

    Thanks for posting,

    Kaila
     
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    Hello Vladimir,
    I did not listen your recording yet. The only think I wanted to tell you is that, with the limited availability of the few administrators, we try to minimize their work load. So we are asking members to stick to some rules regarding format, title and taggs of their files. These rules are accessible here. Therefore if you like to see your recordings uploaded to the site and enriching the data base, please shape your files accordingly. If you don't want to have your files uploaded, rather use the "Work in progress" forum.

    Best regards, and "Vive la musique !"
     
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    Hi Kaila,
    When I play this Polonaise, first I hear here are sounds of poetry. Indeed, even the more dramatic sections including culmination towards the end still coloured with warmth & intimacy of a poet; Chopin.
    Thanks or your feedback and advice :)
    Best regards,
    Vladimir
     
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    Hi Francois,
    Definitely, we should stick to the rules, I'll read the suggestions. Thanks,
    Best,

    "Vive la musique! "
     
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    Hi Vladimir, sorry I missed this re-posting. This is an improvement sound-wise, though I still think it sounds peculiar in places: there is a certain boominess to the bass and in the high treble I suspect the piano has detuned slightly (which of course can happen, and it sounds like it may be quite an old piano, from the prevailing impression I get of the timbre). Around the 2.50 mark, and also around 4.00 and some other places the sound does not appear especially natural to me. I listened both through decent speakers and through Sennheiser headphones. The recording sounds as if it has been treated in some way but not as heavily treated as the previous recording. Through headphones I also heard someone whistling at 5.40 (and in the original also)! I think the phantom whistler strikes at 9.50 and towards the very end. The mic position moves at about 10.25. Sorry for being awkward: I've spent the last few weeks doing studio editing and I am quite acutely conscious of such things at the moment!

    To the playing, and as before I very much approve of your approach. Kaila's comments are thorough and it is hard to add much to them. I am just very curious as to how this recording was made, from a engineering standpoint.

    Francois, I wouldn't mind your opinion on the sound if you are around.
     
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    Hi Andrew,
    Thanks for pouring your time into listening & commenting on my recording. Yes, there are some distortions and peculiarities in certain sections. The piano was indeed old and little out of tune too as you have noticed. ( Now I have a new instrument by the way ).
    Also, it was a home recording using Zoom H4N digital recorder, which has 2 built-in mics. Obviously there is some natural noise around that I am trying to reduce when editing. The function I am using called hiss removal. I found it to cause the least damage to the original sound. Other functions I like using are click, removal & automatic phase correction. That's it. If there are particular places with unusual noise, it can be treated too, but I try not to intervene to much as there is "cost" to these cosmetics: sound distortion.
    No equalization or normalizing either.
    Do you have any suggestions of editing functions that can improve recording quality?
    Thanks & best regards,
    Vladimir
     
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    It is possible that, if there was significant noise around in the original recording, the hiss removal might cause peculiar sonic artefacts to arise. To me it appears that the sound here has altered noticeably from what it should be originally. In contrast, having listened to part of your Waldstein first movement, the Beethoven is a natural-sounding recording.
     
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    Hello Vladimir,
    Musically it is a very nice recording (I have listened it now !). It was particularly interesting to listen Kaila's and your rendition, which display some differences. But they both deserve to be retained on the site, I think. So when you have time to cope with title and tag, I'll upload your version.
    Regarding the sound, it looks very much like my first recordings, when I was a teenager (more than 40 years ago !). At this time I played a small Yamaha upright, and I had a built-in microphone small Phillips cassete recorder that I put on the top of the opened piano. There were some resonant frequencies and some parts of the tessiture which sounded somewhat muffled... Also some hiss and wow... Therefore I guess that the mic placement is probably something which could be improved, perhaps the room acoustics (more difficult to change !). External mics are generally better (depending on their quality, of course...). But finally, the sound is decent and does not overcome (at least for me) the pleasure of listening, given the quality of the rendition.
     

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