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Chopin Fantasy in F minor Op.49

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  1. musicrecovery

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    Hello,

    Here is my recent recording of the Chopin Fantasy in F minor.

    I've taken considerable interpretative freedom in my presentation.
    Every time I perform this piece I change my mind about what it is I want to do with each section.

    Although I have performed (recorded) the Fantasy in a more established manner,
    this one is dreamier and more like a ballade or nocturne.

    Chopin - Fantasy in F Minor, Op. 49 (16:51)


    Here is a youtube video link to the studio performance (recorded April 3, 2015):
    https://youtu.be/5z_hQ84m9tI

    -Kaila
     
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    That is certainly 'different'. It must be one of the slowest versions on record :)
    There are lots of nice ideas and moments but as a whole I think the piece can benefit of more sweep and drama. At times you slow down so much so that it stops the flow of the music.
    In the first passage with the double octaves I noticed that you played all low octaves the same, on E flat. This sounded really strange. In the reprise you got it right though.
    Personally I'd have put in more work on the taxing passages. But you make your mistakes with flair, it's not a big deal.
    This is on the site. Good to see someone still posting here.
     
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    Hi Kaila,

    I guess I know now that you are definitely still playing piano! :)
    Wow, that was a very nice!! And all of it memorized too!! I haven't listened to this piece in a long time. I've played through it a couple times a long time ago and liked it very much but never had time to continue with it. Anyway, great video! I like that you decided to add your own style to some sections. I've been thinking of doing that with a Chopin waltz that I often play. Now you've inspired me! :)
     
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    Hi Chris,

    I understand what you are saying and I have played this piece with more
    sweep and drama.

    I plan to keep working on it.

    This time, because of the incredible tone of the piano, I felt this need to play
    it in a very sustained and dreamy manner.

    I may do a video of it on my fairly recently purchased Bechstein at home.
    I also want to play it on the Old Black Grand software and possibly in another recital.
    I have not been giving recitals but would like to start again.

    Thank  you so much for listening.

    Best,
    Kaila
     
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    Hi Monica,

    Wow. It is good news that my interpretation inspired you.

    I want to play this piece again soon and try to start playing some recitals again.

    I keep exercising and doing my physical therapy and walking.
    This is all works into my thoughts on interpretation as well.

    Keep using your musical imagination to come up with new concepts of interpretation.

    I do think I will pick up the pace a bit in some places next time. There are
    two other performances of the Chopin Fantaisie at my youtube station that
    were live performances.

    Best,
    Kaila
     
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    Hi Kaila,

    Great work on this piece! I really enjoyed hearing it. Obviously the slower tempo assisted you in presenting your rendition. If you keep the piece in your fingers, here's a suggestion. Although I see the value of your slow tempo now, it's also true that you know all the details--notes, rhythms, dynamics, figurations, nuances, choreography of the hands, etc. If I were you: What I would do with the help of the metronome would be to slowly increase the speed. You could do this with confidence now. Even gaining one or two upward notches on the metronome would be progress. If errors occur you could back off and analyze the problem and address it. You've made a wonderful, long journey there. But I think any minor upward change in tempo will be beneficial and increase credibility of your performance. If it works, then see if you can gain yet another notch. Something at least to consider.

    A few years ago I had all good intentions to learn this fantasy, but my "windows of time" for practicing have always been very narrow. The reality was that I had insufficient time to practice what I had already learned plus delve deeper into the piece. I felt let down because it seemed that the large effort I made was useless. Ever since then I have only looked at pieces of four pages (or occasionally five pages). Luckily I love character pieces, so it works for me given the constraints.

    Again very nice playing. Thanks for sharing it here.

    David
     
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    Hi David,

    Thank you for your suggestions. They are really good.

    I have played this piece before in public and the tempo is more sweeping.
    You can hear it at my youtube station, ketzela001.

    CAMI Hall - NYC - 1998
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v72D9MljSk&feature=youtu.be

    Bargemusic - NYC - 1999
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVS9q053SmE

    This piece is a special challenge for me, having had multiple upper and lower
    back surgeries and other major operations.  Therefore, long hours of practice
    are absolutely out of the question. Four to six page pieces are basically
    a necessity and so after a two and a half year break from actively giving
    recitals, I am planning to put together a recital of short pieces by
    Scarlatti, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Joplin, Rachmaninov, Satie, Granados, Gershwin,
    possibly MacDowell and my own improvisations on some Jewish themes.

    Now that I am retired and doing more physical therapy, I want to keep playing without damaging my health.
    Often, when making an audio/video recording at the local studio I use, I bring weights, a mat, a pillow,
    and the like so that I can get through the session.

    Well, yes, I will be rerecording the Chopin Fantasy in f minor. I hope to do so on my fairly new Bechstein upright.

    Thank you for listening and it is an honor to be in the short piece music club with you!
    It is indeed a most illustrious club to belong to!

    Best,
    Kaila
     
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    A fine and very personal take on a famous piece. I liked it very much, particularly how it brought out new aspects. The initial segment sounds like a funeral march! This is not how I would play it but your performance is consistent and evocative. You obviously gave this piece a lot of thought.

    The playful 3vs2 section (a bit after 5 mins) is an extreme contrast with the many rubatos. I can imagine some think you overdo this but I actually liked it a lot (plus, playing that section evenly and relaxed at speed is not so easy). The last time that theme occurs (13 mins) you seem less relaxed though, watch it to keep it under control there.

    I never got the feeling your slow tempo is for technical reasons. For example you play the most difficult parts (the awkward RH runs) at full speed. I don't think you get every note there, but then no one else does except the megastars in studio recordings.

    Sometimes I think you slow down too much in that the flow is broken and the effect is on the verge of comical. In particular watch it before the march theme (around 6:30 first time). And the wait before the final chord seems excessive. The march theme is really well done the first time (springy and playful, yet stable), much less so the second time. I understand you want contrast and make it loud, but you lose control of voicing and the LH is much too loud.

    The middle chorale section is a revelation! Though technically trivial this is quite intricate musically, you bring it out in a fantastic way, and here the slow tempi pay off since it connects better to the rest emotionally.

    Thanks for sharing!

    Joachim
     
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    Thank you Joachim for your comments.

    I have posted the links to my other performances. I hope that I can
    come up with a fusion of my ideas.

    You are very insightful.

    Best,
    Kaila
     
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    MP3 through speakers.

    Kaila,
    Finally had time to listen to 16 minutes of music! As an audience member, I would get a little lost in the slow-downs - the section around 11:00 particular.

    KEEPER: Your rubato on the grace notes is wonderful. It's so Chopin-y. One of about 30 or 40 stylisms in Chopin that make listening enjoyable.

    KEEPER: The pedaling near the end. And, by the way, the dying of the last chord comes through pretty good with speakers. (It should be noted that I have pretty large speakers on my "sound" computer.)

    Congratulations on getting a Bechstein. Haven't played one since I was young, but I still remember them very fondly. I don't suppose it has a Renner action?
     
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    Hi Stu,

    Thank you for listening. I was very careful about the grace notes.

    I have been practicing this piece mainly with my eyes closed to
    better sense my kinesthetic necessities with this piece.

    I agree with your comments.

    Best,
    Kaila
     
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