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Chopin Etude Op.25, No. 12 in C Minor. "Ocean"

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  1. PJF

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    No need to apoligize!

    I usually find something to agree with in every comment but not so here.

    While I can hear the robotic precision (which I'm still working on, BTW) and the technical strength that went into my 2:15 performance of this etude are relentless, I disagree that there's ABSOLUTELY no feeling; trust me, a lot of feelings went into it, just not the one's you were expecting, perhaps.

    Maybe too fast? I don't think so (my tempo is as marked, half note = 80) Too violent? (it is marked con fuoco, after all.)

    Why inject "feeling" into a piece that is clearly meant to drown the listener in waves of sound? Pardon my bad grammar but this ain't no nocturne. Have you listened to my other recordings? I can play with feeling when I think it appropriate. I just didn't feel the need, here.

    Of course, you're entitled to your opinions.

    PS: Please make some suggestions as to what you would define as "doing something with it."
     
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    In my defense, I've been working on this piece for exactly two weeks. I only played the wrong note a few dozen times! :lol:
     
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    The technical demands are formidable, indeed! I'm sure once I get my piano fixed (broke a string playing this etude) and tuned, the clarity of majesty (I like that thought) will emerge. I've done the hardest part which is to balance the shoulders to get that smooth "fake legato".

    I'll aim for a time of 2:30-2:40 instead of 2:16.

    Thanks, David!

    Hey, hey, M.A.! :D It feels good to be recording things again after such a protracted layoff. Apparently, my technique has not suffered from all the time off. Yes, it's Pierre. :p

    Pierre Peter Pete
     
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    Two weeks?! In such a case... Chapeau!
     
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    Well. Your recording is absolute different from my recording. You have no rubatoes there, not too much dynamics. For me it's not musical. You pass all of the great hills in this piece without any mark of exitement. Like you say "and what?" on that places. This is all. Yes, everything is in tempo, everything has its own place but you might think about other things that correct tempo. Although, I don't feel any coolness during listening of your recording. It's very uncomfortable for me. So, aim the melody instead of small notes bellow the main melody. Thing about it and sing when you play. It might help...
    Good luck.

    P.S.: For information - this is MIDI file. It's quite similar to your recording but this MIDI file has inside more dynamics and music feeling than you...
    http://stehlik.yc.cz/etude.mid
     
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    I get your point.
     
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    Uh, I read now. I apologize for the missed my answer.
    But I consider these aspects (missed or wrong notes, if in low measure, as in this case) as the less important question when I play or when I speak about someone else's playing.
    Let's tell that someone find curious my reading mistakes, while I find curious all this attention and words about these aspects thathave about 1/100 of importance respect comunicative, emotive and psychic aspects. To each one his priority, and everyone is free to think that one interpretation is good or not if the Braccobaldo edition is used instead of the Yoghi, or if there are not reading errors.
    I used casual editions and I make reading errors, but sincerely this is the last of the problems of my attempts to comunicate using music.
    All the best,
    Sandro
     
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    You and Cortot (and me) would be in agreement, there!
     
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    As do I...which is why I dedicated many more words to other things. :wink:
     
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    But surely! There was no polemic. And thank you for the indication of the error.
    All the best,
    Sandro
     
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    But Pete, what is this story of the same my mistake among 3000 notes?
    I suspect you play "by ear", imitating my versions....... :D :D :D :D
    Bye,
    Sandro
     
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    Believe it or not, this was a random, fluke of a reading mistake on my part. I'd not heard anyone's recording! Totally random. The odds must be 100,000 to 1!
     
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    Pete, the smileys (emoticons).....and the idea of someone who really plays "by ear" the Chopin 25-12 is evidently a joke. Sorry if it was not clear, and all the best,
    Sandro
     
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    Pierre, I wonder how this etude would sound if you would slow down while going up the keyboard, but then speed up slightly on the way down; mimicking a boat admist a squall at see.
     
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    That's a good idea. But bending the tempo back and forth while avoiding a complete alteration of the rhythm is very tricky. ! I know what you mean, though.

    I wonder; did Chopin come up with that name, or is it someone else's idea? Did Chopin have stormy seas on his mind? Could there be another conception?
     
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    My guess is that Chopin had something in mind, but it was one of his followers who came up with the nickname.
     
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    Clearly wasting your time either way. :lol:

    *singing horribly out of tune* Oh my daaarling, oh my daaaarling, oh my daaaaaaaarling, Clementi.
     
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    Clearly. :lol:

    *goes back to hiding in the shadows*
     

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