DONATION STATUS
Needed before 2016-12-31
$ 2,500
So far donated
$ 825

Brahms - Rhapsody Op. 79 no. 2

Discussion in 'Submission Room' started by luissarro, Aug 30, 2012.

  1. luissarro

    luissarro New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.felipesarro.com
    LOCATION:
    Brazil
  2. techneut

    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2006
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Last Name:
    Breemer
    First Name:
    Chris
    LOCATION:
    Netherlands
    There's something strange with this mp3. It seems to start somewhere in the middle, and also there are strange breaks later on. Can you check it ?
     
  3. luissarro

    luissarro New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.felipesarro.com
    LOCATION:
    Brazil
    Hi, Chris!

    Now I'm at work, I'll check it later when I arrive home (I can't download MP3s here... :roll: )

    But it's strage. The audio was working, I listened to it completely. Maybe something happened when I converted into 192 kbps or when I uploaded it to PS.
    I'll check.
     
  4. techneut

    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2006
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Last Name:
    Breemer
    First Name:
    Chris
    LOCATION:
    Netherlands
    That use to be like that at my office. Bloody annoying. But for some reason it's allowed now. Or they just forgot to apply the rule.
     
  5. luissarro

    luissarro New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.felipesarro.com
    LOCATION:
    Brazil
    You lucky!

    Here Orkut (old Google social network) is blocked, but Facebook is allowed. \o/
    Fortunately, I work only 6 hours a day. :D
     
  6. luissarro

    luissarro New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.felipesarro.com
    LOCATION:
    Brazil
    hm... there is a problem indeed. Apparently the END of the file overwrote the beginning. I checked the original file, it was okay. The problem happened when I copied it to a pen drive. Another Windows 8 bug?? :shock:

    Brahms - Rhapsody Op. 79 No.2(6:37)
     
  7. StuKautsch

    StuKautsch Member Piano Society Artist

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2008
    Messages:
    439
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Software Developer
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Last Name:
    Kautsch
    First Name:
    Stewart
    LOCATION:
    New Jersey, USA
    Very nice, Luis. A few wrong (or perhaps muddied by the pedal) bass notes near the beginning (on both iterations), but probably not very noticeable.

    I'd like to point out to Monica and others that this piece contains both "mezza voce" and "sotto voce" markings, and I think Luis handles them quite well. There was a discussion on the "Technique" board last year about the difference.

    A few more notes:
    -- nice misterioso
    -- the second time before the repeat the D triad is lost
    -- wonderful effects in the piu cantando and mezza voce
    -- the sotto voce begins very well. In measure 9-10, and 11-12, have you ever tried playing the fourth beat into the first as detached quarter notes (and observe the rests in the LH by lifting the pedal). It provides a subtle "punch".
    The composer indicates this a little by using the quarter notes instead of the dotted halves that we've seen in the previous 8 measures.
    -- Everyone ritards at the molto crescendo that follows, even though it's not marked. Is this a tradition that I don't know about?
    -- Nice rubato in the pp section before the final "lunga".
    -- In the last "mezza voce/misterioso" section the quarter notes are not as detached as they were the first time, and I think detached is better (as well as being marked). Gives it a more "misterioso" feeling instead of just being soft.
    -- The triplets into the duples at the end are not convincing. Maybe a little accent on the E-flat in the triplet would help?

    Good recording. I've known this piece for 40 years which is why I got a little detailed.
     
  8. StuKautsch

    StuKautsch Member Piano Society Artist

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2008
    Messages:
    439
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Software Developer
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Last Name:
    Kautsch
    First Name:
    Stewart
    LOCATION:
    New Jersey, USA
    Ok, this is off topic, but since this post will have the attention of both Chris and Luis, let me point out that today's composer - Stenhammar - has no biography.
    I mention it here because the two artists that have recorded Stenhammar's works are Chris and Luis.
    Maybe one of you was going to do it but forgot.
     
  9. techneut

    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2006
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Last Name:
    Breemer
    First Name:
    Chris
    LOCATION:
    Netherlands
    There are lots of composers without a bio, and it's a bit lame that my composer-of-the-day script can't recognize that. I don't seem to find the time and motivation to compile bios anymore these days. We've repeatedly asked for volunteers for this, but few people have come forward.
     
  10. luissarro

    luissarro New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.felipesarro.com
    LOCATION:
    Brazil
    Hi, Stu!

    Thanks for your detailed analysis (though I don't understand some of them... when you say measures 9-10, you're counting from the development section?).
    I don't think there are any wrong notes. But there are 3 or 4 slips (hitting 2 keys instead of just one. =D ) which I left out.

    About the ritard on the "crescendo"... I think you're talking about the E major chord in the development section, right before the recapitulation, is it?
    If so, I don't believe this is a "tradition". I face this ritard as a rhetorical gesture to convince the listener of the E major chord which first appeared in the development section. I don't know exactly the function of this E major chord (I should think more... at first, it seems to be the Dominant of the Dominant of the Dominant !! but maybe I can find a better explanation for this chord... anyway, harmonically speaking, it's far from the Gm tonic, so, considering the musical discourse, there is good reason, in my opinion, to call the listener attention to it. That's the reason for the ritard, I think. Other performers may find different rhetorical gesture for this passage, but it seems that a ritard is pretty common, from what you said.

    I consider two main things while interpreting: 1) style (which has to do with historical evidence) and 2) rhetoric, which is how to convince the listener of the musical abstract elements of the score (this one has to do with analysing the musical discourse).

    Thanks again for the analysis.
     
  11. StuKautsch

    StuKautsch Member Piano Society Artist

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2008
    Messages:
    439
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Software Developer
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Last Name:
    Kautsch
    First Name:
    Stewart
    LOCATION:
    New Jersey, USA
    Luis,
    Sorry about the measure numbers. My edition (Peters) does not provide them, so when I refer to a "sotto voce" section and then reference measures 9-10, I'm referring to measures 9-10 of the sotto voce section..
    The "molto crescendo" is a few measures after that (in the Peters, anyway - I suppose different editions could have different dynamic markings), and you're right, it's the one heading into the big E Major chord.

    Chris,
    I'm not volunteering, but let me look around for bio material on this Stenhammar. I had never heard of him and now my curiosity's up. First I'll listen to a little of his music to see if my curiosity stays up :)
     
  12. luissarro

    luissarro New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.felipesarro.com
    LOCATION:
    Brazil
    Stenhammar is amazing!

    It's a pitty I have to play so much stuff (there will be a little recital of Brahms miniatures in sonata form in my college) and I don't have time to study his music... =\
     
  13. richard66

    richard66 Richard Willmer Piano Society Artist

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    1,080
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    Amateur musician
    Home Page:
    Hello, Luis,

    I have to agree with Stu about the opening bars. There is something there, but it is soon over, as you gain confidence. The rest of the piece is quite enjoyable
     
  14. luissarro

    luissarro New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.felipesarro.com
    LOCATION:
    Brazil
    Thanks, Richard.
     
  15. fluterific00

    fluterific00 Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    Private Piano Teacher College Piano Teacher Accomp
    Location:
    Missouri
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.partycreations.bravehost.com/seniorpianorecital.htm
    LOCATION:
    Missouri
    Haven't played or heard much Brahms. Will have to find some music of his to play.
     
  16. techneut

    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2006
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Last Name:
    Breemer
    First Name:
    Chris
    LOCATION:
    Netherlands
    That is a very enjoyable performance with lots of nice things. I'm sure there are some tiny slips and things that could be improved but it is very well played and good by any standard. I'll put this on the site tonight (time permitting, I'm extremely busy working on the new house).
     
  17. luissarro

    luissarro New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.felipesarro.com
    LOCATION:
    Brazil
    Hi, Chris!

    Yes. There is always space for improvement.
    And I decided to leave 3 or 4 slips in the recording.

    Thanks.
     
  18. techneut

    techneut Active Member Piano Society Artist

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2006
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Last Name:
    Breemer
    First Name:
    Chris
    LOCATION:
    Netherlands
    This is up on the site.
     
  19. musical-md

    musical-md Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2010
    Messages:
    1,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Physician
    Location:
    San Antonio, TX, USA
    Last Name:
    del Rio
    First Name:
    Eddy
    LOCATION:
    San Antonio, TX, USA
    Luis,
    Very fine playing; I enjoyed it very much.
     
  20. luissarro

    luissarro New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Home Page:
    WEBSITE:
    http://www.felipesarro.com
    LOCATION:
    Brazil
    Thank you, Eddy.
     

Share This Page