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Brahms-Moszkowski - Hungarian dances

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  1. felipesarro

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    Bravo!

    I didn't know these pieces but to me they sound very well played and virtuosistic. If these are the easier versions, I can only imagine what the originals are like.

    In the first one (no.2) one of the themes reminded me of portions of the Lassan in Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody no.2.

    Nice job!
     
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    I listened to these and started putting them up, but then stopped because I'm not sure if they go under Brahms or Moszkowski. This sort of thing always confuses me. I've no more time today though, so let me know and I'll do it tomorrow or maybe Chris will do these. Good job, playing them, Felipe.
     
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    Re: Bravo!

    It's much much more difficult... you have no idea! hehehehe
    I had tried to play no. 2 long time ago... no success. hehe

    I don't know what you usually do...
    But though they are transcribed by Moskowski, I find it much more important to put them in the Brahms page, because the Hungarian Dances are very famous. If they were in the Moskowski section, they'd seem "lost" in Piano Society. hehe
    I mean... if someone wants to listen to Brahms' Hungarian Dances, it's difficult to imagem that he could find it in Moskowski page (I myself did not know these Moskowski transcriptions in the past. It's a recent discovery to me)
     
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    nice

    This is really nice, ... it would be nice if you could upload your title on www.1001pianos.com

    This site is dedicated to piano artists and lovers. try it, it's totally free
     
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    Attention

    In my opinion, it doesn't seem right to advertise for other piano-playing and music websites in this forum. Especially as the purpose of some sites may not be in line with the society's purpose. I urge the admins to take action or correct me.

    Marcelo
     
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    Re: Attention

    I agree with you.
    Do not worry, admins ALWAYS take action in these cases.
    huaa huaaa huaaaaaaaaaaa (evil laugh)
     
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    Marcelo... I just noticed... you're Brazilian! (so am I)

    now we can speak down on the other members in Portuguese, and no one will not even suspect what we are talking about!
    :lol:
     
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    i know some portuguese, so be careful... :twisted:
     
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    it'd go under Moszkowski under something like:

    Moszkowski --> Piano Transcriptions --> Brahms-Moszkowski Hungarian Dances 2 & 3


    The transcriber / arranger always gets the credit. We would not file Liszt's rendition of Rossini's The Overture of William Tell under Rossini.

    If you catch my drift. :D
     
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    humpf!
    xereta!
    :lol:
     
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    Hi Monica,

    To answer your question, the correct form is generally composer/transcriber. So, for example, the Ma Mere L'Oye suite of Ravel transcribed by Charlot from the original duo-piano version to a solo piano work would appear as Ravel/Charlot. I believe that the rationale is that it thereby gives primary credit to the creativity of the original composer and secondary credit for reworking the piece--through transcription, paraphrase, or arrangement--to the subsequent effort of the other composer, conductor, or artist. Thus the one at hand would be Brahms/Moszkowski. I hope this helps.

    David
     
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    juufa,

    Also, if you know some Spanish, you can get most of the gist of Portugese. :wink:
     
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    Hi felipe,

    I want to commend you on your performance of these pieces. I don't have the scores here, but they sound very difficult. Great job!
     
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    Re: nice

    I suppose you must advertise your new site somehow, but we here on this forum don’t appreciate you doing it all over our site. So stop!
     
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    Looks like I am flying solo with this one. Received your pm's etc. - thanks for the advice, everybody. Last time I put up a transcription, it was for a Bach piece transcribed by Siloti. The piece is under Siloti and I can't remember why we did it like that. I see the validity of both points presented here, so I just put these under both Brahms and Moszkowski. That should take care of things, right? :)
     
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    No! Brahms had nothing to do with the secondary rendition of his dances. He composed the originals, thus those should be strictly within Brahm's page. Moszkowski is the one who took Brahm's work and arranged it. He put in the countless hours arranging pieces, therefore those are his works. Thus these should be under only Moszkowski.


    Take for example the academic world. A scientist comes up with a theory and then dies. Many years after the scientist's death, a new scientist takes this theory and reworks it and is able to prove it. The first scientist won't get the credit for proof because he never could. The scientist who proved it rightfully receives the credit.


    :evil:
     
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    However, Moszkowski didn't create the themes which are the underlying basis of the arrangements. It's like The Swan arrangement. I've never seen it listed as Godowsky/Saint-Saens, but always Saint-Saens/Godowsky. Similarly, the piano transcription of Rachmaninoff's Floods of Spring by Earl Wild is never Wild/Rachmaninoff, but rather Rachmaninoff/Wild. I think it's fine to list a number under both names, perhaps as a cross-reference, but to only list pieces like that under the transcriber of arranger robs the original composer of his genius in my opinion.
     
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    Re: Attention

    I fully agree. It's bad manners at the very least.

    There were six similar plug postings by this guy in several forums and I replied to one of them. Seems like he replied and then deleted his message, because I got an email about a reply and then when I went to see it, there was none. Not a good sign, this. I will remove his account.
     
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    We sure don't want spammers here. I have removed his account.
     

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