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  2. techneut

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    Christ, what a mess.... The speed is impressive, but it sounds like you have at most 50% of the notes right. Why not practice at half speed and try to get 95% right ? And how do you get so much hiss in the recording I wonder ?
     
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    the site doesn't work :shock:
     
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    It does now, but earlier this morning I could not get to it either. Seems to be a bit unreliable.
     
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    @ i m robot.

    I think you did a good job but you need to keep up the hard wurk! Your almost there.

    @techneut.

    I think you are to hard with your comments. Not everyone is that good a you are. Maybe you need to try to comment to recordings of others so that they going to study harder.

    If you comment so I think that people don't post any recordings because they know that they will be commented on a negative way.

    gr,

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    Yes I know it was quite hard. And it's not as if I can do this one any better myself...
    But this is simply too sloppy, many bars are barely approximating the truth. There is no way to be nice about that, and any teacher would say the same. I'm sure this will not robot from practicing it more ...
     
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    Yes I know it was quite hard. And it's not as if I can do this one any better myself...
    But this is simply too sloppy, many bars are barely approximating the truth. There is no way to be nice about that, and any teacher or critic would say the same. I'm sure this will not stop robot from practicing it more.
     
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    Trust self, twas 99 percent correct notes :wink:

    bad recorder :oops:

    Was not a real rec but more of a test

    average about 20 mins practice a day for last 6 months

    tis only maintainence for now :(

    better will come :D
     
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    Hehe , you wish...
    Yes, definitely. The amount of hiss is unacceptable.
    I'm sure it will. But try practice slower with more note accuracy (like, 99.9 % :p )
     
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    This one's all yours, JM!

    Pete
     
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    Alright

    If ever self should be able to practice again

    Anyone have any suggestions on how to get the downward arps around mm 42 smooth


    Ehh :??
     
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    Hey! i m robot from the good old times at chopinfiles! Hope you are doing well. :D

    There are too many keys wrong but it is about up to tempo (1:50 is the perfect version of it with 1/4=176). I am not only sure that you play the keys wrong, I sometimes have a feeling that you do not remember the score properly (assuming you are playing it by heart as one can hardly play this piece from score). What I like about it is the musical interpretation. Been listening to Perhia's version?
     
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    The p-sai kick 8)

    haven't look at the score in almost a year
     
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    you practice the piece 20 minutes of just playing 20 minutes daily?
     
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    Try spending an hour, every other day of really concentrated practice. Use the score, please! (and the metronome)

    The reference to JM: Johnmar78 has posted numerous recordings of the 10/1 and I have replied at length. Look in the audition room, listen to JM's recordings and read our comments.

    Pete
     
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    My God. I just listened to your playing......I busted and laugh really loud to myself about your playing....(sorry I shouldnt laug Are you a commedian??) ...my tears are coming out of my eyes while i am writing this..


    Its either your 1)piano is out of tune or
    2) you delibrate to skip a key to a higher key....wrong melody without interupting...but it really funny to make a comic version of op10/1.

    3) because of above 1 and 2) it made me laugh????

    SLOW PRACTICE AS PETE SAID. Now I did 2.42 its pretty cool and nice and clear. The profeesinal playing around 1.45 to 2.25.
     
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    8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

    Clarity Sake and Answer to questions


    1) Was it a joke

    http://www.dasdc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7582

    People avoided it simply because of the name

    2) Practice time

    Practiced this piece an hour a day when self was first learning it and usually had three or more hours to practice. Now practice sessions are about 1-2 hours but self doesnt practice every day so the average practice session is around 20 minutes of practice :wink:

    3) Piano out of tune

    F@#$ yeah, it was tuned only days after the recording was made

    4) The score

    Every note is memorized,

    no need for it,

    a near perfect peformance can be rendered at a slower tempo

    these wrong notes are a combination of lack of maintainance for this speed, the recorder lack of frequency variation, and bad tuning

    then there also the experimental factor

    wasnt actually planning on posting it

    found out how funny it sounded with a hint of clarity and posted it

    5) Z speed

    Self can play it faster but since self has not mastered the middle section it fall apart completely there

    EVERY SINGLE TIME

    3 bars determine the quality of the entire performance

    then there is the endurance factor


    6) the tech

    self has almost overcome the habit of excess finger motion, but the problem lies in determining where to draw the line.

    Too much fingers equals pain

    too little fingers equals loss of clarity at certain points

    combined with - there are section where it seems finger motion is needed

    and the transfer from no finger to finger results in tension

    ----

    Then there is the question of the body

    does it remain almost in place

    or does one allow it to flow upward with the hand


    then there is the wrist

    self has notice that when the hand it angled slightly downward (regardless of whether one uses high or low wrist)

    in this position, movements that require the fingers to be raised are easier and produce less tension

    while movement that require rotation become harder to produce



    -----

    Examine mister horowitz.

    One would believe his playing would be very painful

    but self believe it to be the that his hands are angle downward compared to his forearm which enabled him to play in the form he did

    and he doesnt seem to play with only his fingers as people say

    he leans in most of the time he plays

    ----

    but self diverges

    and this is probably not the right subforum for a discussion on technique :mrgreen:
     
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    Robot, first it sounds so that have the technique to play the Chopin 10/1 in that tempo. Your tone is ok too, at least what can be heard from the (bad) recording quality. It also not sounded rushed to me.

    It only degrades so because of the numberless wrong notes. If it would be an unknown piece and nobody would have the score, but so...
    No need to quantify whether there are 50% or 1% wrong notes. They are simply too much.

    Take the critiques here positive, work on the wrong notes and post anytime a recording with better sound quality and all notes there and all will be happy. The good message is, technical wise you are able to manage the thing!!!
     
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    That may be so, but don't underestimate the effort and the technical skill involved to get the notes right as well as the general feeling. It is comparatively easy to play a difficult work with great panache but in an approximate way. It seems to me there is something like a 80-20 rule at work here : Getting 80% of the notes right is only 20% of the whole effort. It's in the remaining 20% (well, in reality hopefully 15% or 18%) that 80% of the sweat will go. Not that I've ever got that far, hehe :lol:
     
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    I disagree regarding the general feeling: I think the general feeling IS there in the recording. Is there really technical skill necessary to hit the right instead wrong notes? Ok, if the wrong notes are easier to access, then maybe. Patience and true honesty, and faithful reading the score are needed, but technical skill?
    What I recognized was playing with feeling and expression, and "only" wrong notes.

    But I agree so far that if once wrong notes have established, it needs lots work to overcome what is burned in the muscle memory (at least for poor me that's the case, if I get friendly pointed by Chris Breemer to the complete list of wrong notes in my recordings). :roll:
     
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