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Bartok - Mikrokosmos Book 4 completion

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  1. techneut

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    112: good, but may be here and there too much pedal and the eigth breaks could be clearer, so it sounds a bit unclear, swimmy at some places.
    113: really good. Bravo!
    114: very good.
    115: fine, may be there could have been a bit more rit. at the end.
    116: sometimes a bit too much pedal in the runs, f.ex. in bar 3 of the penultimate system on page 100.
    117: the c-sharp in the seventh bar before end with the sf could be louder and clearer, besides this is very good. This piece sounds not easy.
    118: the runs are well played, but nearly with beginning of the second half of the piece there is too much pedal in the runs here and there.
    119: wow, this is very expressive and musical. Bravo!
    120: the staccato at some places could be improved, there is sometimes too much pedal on it and it sounds too legato, but there are also very clear and nice passages in it.
    121: here I find the pedal not disturbing somehow. Very good.

    Of course, the use of pedal in some cases is a matter of taste, but I think Bartok should be played as clear as possible. In romantic pieces one can use more pedal, but also there are limits.

    All in all these recordings are a great achievement. I´m happy, that our collaboration on these pieces was so successful until now. All my nitpickings are more or less minor compared with the good overall result. Keep up the very good work!
     
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    Thanks for that Andreas. Yes Bartok could (and maybe should) be played more percussively and with less pedal. However I like a bit of resonance, and I believe my generous (but IMHO judicious) pedaling never leads to unwanted blurring here. Only perhaps in the coda of no.112 where I really use too much (this part is a bit challanging still). Maybe I'll redo this one but I will leave the others as they are.
     
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    Of course, it´s your decision, if I would be you, I would redo no. 120 as well, because the staccati at some places are too swimmy.
     
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    Once again Chris, you have done an excellent job. Love your Bartok. Especially No 118, the one with the triplets, most impressive and direct.
     
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    Thanks Pantelis. As you mention no.188, would you say there is to much pedal in that one, as Andreas suggested ? I don't think there is, although I'm not playing the runs completely dry either.

    Ah the things that could happen if you would be me :lol:
    But I've followed all your suggestions until now and may as well keep doing that. There's always something to improve even if I thought it was good enough.
     
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    No, I don't think there is either. On the contrary, I find it properly dry. The same goes for the rest. Maybe in just a few places here and there you could refrain from the pedal but I don't think you have to worry about it. The combination of dry and wet is optimal, at least as I hear it.
     
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    That's good to hear, thanks. At least I don't have to redo no.118 :D
     
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    Wiser_guy wrote:
    May I lough at this point?! :lol: It´s obviously too wet at some places.

    BTW, Chris, could you please install the link to my Chopin-Nocturne in c-sharp minor? I can´t see it, though I´m logged in. (Just a modest petition.) :wink:
     
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    To me the place where it's obvious place is in the 2nd half of no.112. But we'll compromise. I shall redo 112 and 120, but leave 118.

    Oops. Done.
     
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    Techneut wrote:
    O.k.
    I´m looking forward now to Mikrokosmos 5. Keep up the good work!

    Thank you! :D

    (BTW, you soon will have a little jubilee, the next post will be your 5000nds! Phew, if I imagine all that work, that lies behind that number, I begin to sweat. :lol: :wink: )
     
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    5000 !!!!!!

    Oh yes right, this is my 5000th post then ! I had not noticed that number 4999.
    Pity that I have no clue what I should post about :lol:
     
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    Re: 5000 !!!!!!

    O.k., so it´s "5000th", not "5000nds", one does never complete training. So, I can´t imagine, too, what you should post about. :lol:
     
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    To no. 112 + 120:
    Bravo, Chris, besides a very little slip in no. 112 I couldn´t hear anything wrong. You have much improved and it´s a pleasure to work together with you!

    To 122:
    Very good, here the pedal is correct.
     
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    Thanks ! I'm not aware of a slip in no.112 though. It must be really nitpicky tiny :lol:
     
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    Yes, it´s very really nitpicky tiny... :wink: You have done a great job!
     
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    Bartok Mikrokosmos

    Dear Chris, I estimate it needs a steady and stubborn mind to practise and record the whole lot of the 153 pieces of Bartok's Mikrokosmos. Flattering somebody is not my 'cup of tea' although I must admit I admire your achievement. Bartok allows interested musicians
    a thorough and deep insight into his workshop as a composer. Only Bach worked with a similar strict consequence of creating a certain true style.If you practise these pieces,you also study them and gain a clearer and deeper insight into the cosmos of his oeuvre. You not only train your ear but also your intellect thus becoming more and more capable of understanding masterpieces like the 'Concerto for orchestra', the piano-concertos, the string quartetts but also compositions like the 'Divertimento' and 'Music for stringed instruments, drums and celesta'. You absorb into your mind the numerous irregular rhythms and melodies that have their origin in the Balkans and seem to sort of arise from the Hungarian and BUlgarian soil. Thus Bartok was able to create the cosmos of his determined and clearly defined personal style. Chris, let me tell you I have a feeling of deep abmiration for your achievement. Also, I will let you know I listend to your performance with the greatest interest. Every peice is is alsolutely correct and clear andf above all full of grasaping the numrous structures in every detail. I can only congratulate you and say"What a wonderful effort in every aspect". Yours Francois.-
     
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    Dear Francois,
    You being a romantic composer, I am a bit surprised to find in you a fellow Bartok lover :D

    Thank you for the compliments. Except for Bach, there is no better study repertoire than Bartok.
    To practice and record music like For Children and Mikrokosmos brings enormous rewards - every piano student should be made to do it. Whether all of my performances are absolutely right I would not want to say, but I do try to give each of these pieces my best effort. Also I have also Andreas to thank for his eminently useful feedback, which greatly adds to the quality of my recordings.
    Yes it's a good thing to have a stubborn mind.... I'm working on the second half of book 5 now, things are gettig more difficult here and will be even more so in Book 6. It will be some time before I am done with the Mikrokosmos, but I will get there.
     

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