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Alkan - Quatrième Nocturne "Le grillon" Op. 60bis

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    Haha, I hear the crickets. A cute piece from the Alkan.
     
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    As always, a sublime interpretation Felipe! Cheers! I wonder about what recorder you use. The sound quality is also very good.
     
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    I heard the crickets too. But what happened to them in the middle section? Eeek - sounds like they became very big and scary crickets!

    It is a cute piece, although I think it does go on a bit too long. Still, it's fun to hear composers putting birds (Granados and his nightingales) and now bugs into their music. I can't put this up tonight, Felipe, because...well...I just can't see all this tiny writing right now and I'll probably screw up the tags. (too much wine tonight) but I will in the morning. bye bye.
     
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    'ello! What's this!? :wink:
     
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    Thanks.

    I don't know either :shock:
    You know that thing that changes the voice, for not to be recognizable? When criminals appear talking on TV, they use this, and their voice become strange and very low.
    So maybe in the middle section these are criminal crickets talking on TV. :lol:


    Well...
    the recorder is Zoom H4, which is used also by Hye-Jin Lee and Andreas, if I'm not mistaken. but Andreas uses other external mics in his recordings.
     
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    The Sarro Kid Rides Again :D
    An interesting and neglected piece (I'd never heard it).
    Good job, except the middle section is a bit murky, the triplets not always audible and the tempo a bit shifty. This could have done with more precision, which would make it sound more menacing (as I think it may have been intended, despite the lovely counter melody).

    Anyway I have put it on the site.
     
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    yeah, it's not that good :oops:
    maybe also the expression indication "tremante" (which means "trembling") made me exaggerate something. :lol:
     
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    I have finally got that "public job" (no one ever told me the exact English expression for what I intend to say... I hope you understand "public job" and what it means. hehe)
    The salary is really low... (so I'm looking for ANOTHER public job, hehe)

    Anyway... my recording intervals will become more and more spaced. Now I have a full-time job. (which I don't know if it's good or bad... I mean... the job. hehe)
     
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    Me neither.
    According to Alkan Society, the ONLY commercial recording of it was done by Osamu Nakamura in 1992 (probably released only in Japan).


    This is the text that made me think of playing it:
    Le Grillon is given the Op 60 bis number and is the final and the most characteristic of all the nocturnes. The cricket noise is portrayed by a third hand part in the highest piano register unvarying except when the harmonic direction demands it. The naïvity of Le Grillon is quite delightful, its tonality hardly disturbed and its stability maintained by the monorhythmic figure. The middle secion marked 'quasi-tremante e poco più mosso' is also rather monorhythmic and explorative of the bass register.
    -- William Alexander Eddie, in Charles Valentin Alkan: his life and his music


    well...
    this topic is a monologue!
    I have replied myself twice! talking to myself is something I should do only at an older age...
    I'll see a psychiatrist
     
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    Yes, you are getting old, now that you have a job. Join the crowd :wink:
     
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    you're funny, Felipe.

    So on your recording - did you apply a second track for the 'third hand' cricket part?
     
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    no no.
    I don't know why the guy of the book wrote "third hand".

    Alkan did wrote some pieces for organ or piano three hands (like the thrilling Benedictus), but this is not the case here.
    It's written in three clefs, but is easy to play with hands (Alkan even wrote which hand to use in which passage).

    There are lots of piano pieces for two hands which are written in three clefs (sometimes four! hehe)
    This was the default for Sorabji.
     
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    I know - I'm practicing two Granados' Goyescas that have three clefs/staves in some parts.
     
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    you know what's funny?

    Villa-Lobos wrote a transcription for solo piano of his poem Amazonas.
    it is mainly for two hands, except near the end where you must use also your feet fingers to play all the notes.
     
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    :lol: you mean, 'toes'? :lol:


    but wow - I've never seen music like that. Which part do the toes play? :lol:
     
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    hm...
    you know... I did my English course long time ago. I can't remember the "body parts" lesson completely.
    so I can't say "finger" for fingers that are in the feet? they are toes, only because they are not on hands? so even feet have to deal with such prejudices!
    I can slightly remember something like that in my lessons long ago...


    the toes play the most extreme registers, of course! the extreme high and extreme low. it's because our legs have a wider spam than our arms, so they generally can reach longer distances (it would be much more uncomfortable using the toes to play the mid registers and the fingers to play the extreme ones.)
    that's something to meditate about.
     
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    English!

    Hello Felipe,

    In english we have eight fingers (index, middle, ring and pinky, on each hand), two thumbs and ten toes!!! In portuguese we call them all "dedos" but in english we must oblige!

    By the way, while the expression "public job" is perfectly understandable, most people would say you're actually a "government worker"! Congratulations!

    Marcelo
     
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    By the way, did you check out my invention 13 forró (under the title - yet another musical joke)? I think brazilians will get a special kick out of it.
     
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    Re: English!

    I'm totally against this caste system.

    Equality, liberty and fraternity for fingers too/toe!!
     

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