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Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)

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  1. AdrienneM

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    Good Morning (or middle of the night as it may be)!

    I finally recorded the Tango again, correcting the reading error I made two weeks ago. Not sure, but I believe I placed the H2 in a slightly different spot (off by inches) from where it was for the Prelude. I think the sound quality matches fairly closely, though.

    This is about the 9th take from tonight. I had to wait until the children were asleep before recording. Amazingly, they never wake up and complain! LOL! I guess having constant music in the house since they were infants has them pretty well-acclimated to it all. ;)

    Comments and constructive criticism are of course welcome. Thank you so much for listening! :) I'll be recording the Malagueña from this same suite next. Fun! :D

    ~Adrienne

    Albeniz - España Op. 165, no. 2 "Tango"
     
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    A really nice rendition of this famous and charming Tango ! I can't really think of anything to nitpick on. Unlike Iberia, this is not music that calls for grand gestures and fiery drama, and I like your unfussy, almost understated approach. Keep up the good work and we may have another complete recording of this fun set.
     
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    richard66 Richard Willmer Piano Society Artist

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    My daughter would come up and sing along or play a counter-melody but never complain! I liked your recording, which is the fist I have heard on the piano (I know it from a guitar transcription and from my own playing of it - I have just been practising it.), though I find it a bit dry, understated, as Chris says. Maybe it needs more emotion would add to it.
     
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    That sounded very nice, Adrienne. As far as being a bit dry; I think all it needs is a little reverb.

    btw - my kids sleep through my practicing/playing piano too....
     
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    Yes I think a touch of reverb would do it. We should not fall into the trap of infusing even the slightest of Spanish pieces with tons of hot passion. I don't think these were intended that way. They are elegant salon pieces, no Goyescas. I think this modest approach works fine here, in fact it seems very similar to how I play it (not as if that is anything to go by :lol: ).
     
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    Okay, Richard.... :lol: haha again...

    Anyway, it's got nothing to do with how Adrienne 'played' the piece. I agree it is really quite right and fitting. I'm talking about the 'sound', which I think a little reverb would enhance the recording.
     
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    Adreinne,
    Very nicely played. You made me think of it as "Un Recuerdo." Having grown up on vinyl, I think the sound is fine too, but I must not be as much of an audiophile as others here :).
     
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    Hi Adrienne,

    I just listened to your "Tango" and thought it was charming. Very well played! I compared the two recordings you submitted, and thought that the original one (without the reverb) has the a more authentic and pleasant sound. The one with the reverb seems a bit too vibrant. I'd stick with the first recording.

    David
     
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    I agree with David. Somehow the reverb'ed version sounds less pleasant, I can't say precisely why.
     
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    I like the reverb. It does add a slightly different sound to the piano, but at the same time softens the ends of the notes - makes things less harsh. Not that there is anything harsh here, just sort of puts a soft-ish envelope around the entire package. That probably doesn't make sense - I think I march to a different drummer or something. Oh well, sorry Adrienne, ultimately the decision is yours as to which recording you want to put up.
     
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    If I might say something, I am with Monica: I like the second version. It adds just what I missed in the first version.
     
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    thanks for submiting this piece, Adrienne!

    I can't say much because I don't know Albeniz' output well (only one or two pieces from Suite Española).
    this one is nice!
     
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    richard66 Richard Willmer Piano Society Artist

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    Chris, by emotion I did not mean flamenco dancers and girls with castanets shouting "ole, ole, ole! "I was about to upload a guitar version as an illustration but then, to my chargin, it is im WMA format and I cannot convert to Mp3. It is 2,5Mb. Is that too much and should I leave the matter drop?
     
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    That silly tourist stuff has little to do with emotion/passion.

    No 2.5 Mb is not too much. MP3 is about 1Mb per minute. I guess you can simply rename it to .mp3 before uploading. Or drop it :D
     
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    Dropped with a bang!

    The guitarist is John Williams and the transciption is possibly by Tarrega, tough I cannot swear to it. Albeniz used to say he liked Tarrega's trancriptions better than his own originals for the piano.
     
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    Oh, is that passion :roll: It could be me but I think this is just sickly sentimental, and would not be surprised if Albeniz' remark was tongue-in-cheek. Or maybe he meant it, being such a generous nature.

    It's time that someone takes up Godowsky's cheeky elaboration of this Tango. I've thought about it but never got serious.
     
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    And yet it was the guitar that introduced me to Albéniz. Up to this day I am to hear the Leyenda played on a piano!
     
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    Very nice! I prefer the first one which sounds more natural, to me at least. The second one appears to have some odd echo effects in the first half.
     
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    Hi Everyone!

    I think I was most inspired by this lovely rendition by Alicia de Larrocha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU2kPTgJGeM (can I embed this video using the code feature?)

    She does a little octave doubling in bass, but otherwise plays it in a pretty straight forward manner.

    I was busy with lessons and kids yesterday, so didn't get a lot of time to hop in and participate yesterday.
    I want to answer your posts, so here goes, all in one reply ~

    Thank you so much! I am glad you like it. :D

    Well . . . it *was* Valentine's Day, ha-ha! ;) Seriously, I agree with you here. Plus, there just isn't that much to work with in this little piece. I think it is expressive, but like you said, in an understated sort of way. I didn't want to overdo the rubato, either. Already felt like I was pushing it a little, but it always seems like more inside my head than what comes out of the piano. I must work harder at listening while I play!:)

    Thanks for your comments, Richard! I love it when my kids make up duets along with me, usually right around the octave I need to play next, so it ends up being rather comical. Wow, the guitar performance is quite different from mine! Somehow I think that style works better on the guitar than piano. It's nice, but I think it would feel too plodding on this big instrument. If only I could do the vibrato . . . ;) Thank you for sharing the guitar recording. I do like it, and it's good to have for comparison. So much of the Spanish piano repertoire seems to be influenced by the guitar repertoire.

    Thank you, Eddy! You know, I think I must have old-audio ears. I listened to a lot of vinyl up until graduate school, and still have a bunch of LPs. :)

    David ~ Thanks for listening. I am inclined to agree with you on this. Maybe I could find some middle-ground with the reverb. I am still new to using the editing software, so surely I can make an adjustment, but maybe on a future piece. I still think my mic placement has something to do with the dryness of sound. Hmmm.

    Felipe ~ This is my first foray into the music of Albeniz. Really enjoying it! Thanks for your comments.

    Monica ~ I'd like to keep the first version for the site. Thanks for your time and comments! I appreciate it. :D Hope you are enjoying your new job! That would be a huge change for me. I'm used to the 3:30-8:00pm routine, LOL.

    ~Adrienne

    edit: just cleaning up some formatting
     

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