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2/2 Time Signature

Discussion in 'Technique' started by juufa72, May 10, 2008.

  1. juufa72

    juufa72 New Member Piano Society Artist

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    How do I count out the beats for a 2/2 time signature? Are there two beats per measure? What are the lengths of a eigth note?

    Here is the 2/2 piece I am trying to learn:
     
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    In 2/2, there are 2 half notes per measure, which means it's just like 4/4, but usually it's faster, so the beats are counted by the half note instead of the quarter note. ;)
     
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    I second on that. :lol:
     
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    It's more like 2/4 IMO
     
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    The eighth notes are four per half note, as per usual; they serve the same function as sixteenth notes in 2/4 time.
     
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    This is how I would do it. First, get a slow and steady two-beat pulse going in your head. Then plug in this counting.


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    It's like 2/4 in the way that it's counted, but there are still 4 quarters in a measure, so it's just as much like 4/4. The only difference between the way 2/2 and 4/4 are read is speed, and that can be very relative because some composers don't bother with 2/2 or cut time. In 2/4, there's only one half note per measure. I just think it's simpler to keep in mind that it's read just like 4/4 - trying to convert eighth notes to sixteenths is just unnecessary confusion. :lol:

    But if you've ever played anything in cut time, juuf, it's just like that. ;) ([​IMG])
     
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    I can think of no good reason why Liszt chose to use 2/2 instead of 4/4 here. It's about as four-square a piece as they come. Speed is hardly likely as a Wiegenlied is not supposed to go fast.
     
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    Not even Liszt is spared from the glare of techneut :)
     
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    That could be so :wink:
    But I may be missing something vital here and would like to know what is intended with this 2/2.

    Not that I feel that it matters much though.. I'd not play it any differently whether it said 2/2, 4/4, or 7/8. Actually the time signature seems superfluous as one can clearly see there are four quarters in a bar. Hm :?
     
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    I've never seen or heard it before and found a short clip so you can hear the tempo and how it does indeed sound like there are two beats per measure.

    http://mp3fiesta.com/wiegenlied_chant_d ... ng1598061/

    It's a pretty piece! Hope you can record it for us, Julius.
     
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    Didn't he sell his Edirol? :lol:
     
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    Oh, yes. You’re right. Never mind, Julius. Terez will record this when she gets her Edirol. :D
     
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    In that clip that pianolady posted, it sure seems easier to count it in 4 rather than 2. Especially
    since that 2nd half-note beat falls in the middle of that tied quarter-eighth note figure.
     
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    Yeah, I'm just splitting quavers. :lol:
     
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    Pardon the delay, I was at my parent's house in which they will retire too (~4 years). During my stay I managed to do lots of chores. No TV, no Phone (cell phones don't work up there), no Computer...silence...perfect.


    Yes, I did sell my edirol to Mr. John Robson.

    My computer does not want to play the link which you sent me.

    Hopefully someone will record it...I have found that it is easier for me to play a piece after I heard it multiple times. I struggle if you give me a random composition to play through and not allow me to hear a professional (or near professional) recording.

    Maybe I should've payed more attention during the first two years of piano lessons :roll:

    Thanks for all the help.

    -jg
     
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    J - not sure if you are still interested, but at my lesson today, my teacher showed me a book of Liszt pieces and wouldn't you know that one of them was this Wiegenlied ! And in this edition the time signature is cut time with a metronome setting of half-note = 46. Hope this helps. :)
     
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    Heh, that is childs' play. Try splitting hemi-semi-demi-quavers :wink:
     
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    The edition that your teacher showed you was in cut-time with a metronome @ 46? Your demonstrative "this" is confusing for me :wink:
     
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    Sorry, I'm probably not explaining things very well. Try listening to another link.

    http://www.amazon.com/Liszt-Late-Pieces ... 377&sr=8-1


    It should take you to an album on Amazon.com. Scroll down a little until you see the list of the pieces on the album and then click on "listen" with Windows Media Player to hear the first 30 seconds.
     

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