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 Post subject: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:14 pm 
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I started playing the piano at 8, but then at 12 I stopped, and would go back to it only at 15. When I got back, this scherzo was one of the first pieces my teacher taught me.

Now I wanted to learn the other three, and here they are.

There is also a video version of the scherzo. This piece is amazing, isnt it? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4df4bmKVzYQ

Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16 - I Andante con moto(5:08)
Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16 - II Scherzo(2:44)
Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16 - III Andante (5:30)

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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Good playing. Doesn't make me like Mendelssohn's style any better though. No.3 has some moments of greater depth but overall the music sounds glib and sugary to me.
Can you please adhere to the rules for naming and tagging ? The Title fields are fine (and that is the most improtant) but please address the other ones too, as well as the file names. And please, use no accidentals in any tag (your first name in this case).

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Now I wanted to learn the other three, and here they are.

Trouble counting, eh :P

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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in fact, I had previously written "the othree three". :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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I had forgotten to name the files correctly. I have also changed the 'í' for 'i'.

Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16 - I Andante con moto(5:08)
Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16 - II Scherzo(2:44)
Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16 - III Andante (5:30)

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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Ok, these are on the site - please check.
You still did not supply all the tags - Album, Composer and Genre were missing. I wish people would take the small effort to check the rules and do it properly the first time.

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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What I did to solve this problem was to create a template, so that whenever a new recording is ready, all I need to do is to fill in the fields, which I maks as: Composersurname-op-no-Sarro (for Luis, of course) and so on.

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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A template would be real handy. Not sure that all tagging software has such a thing though. iTunes doesn't.
Or, I should write some nagging software, hehe :)

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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Very lovely playing of these moving pieces (which I've all heard for the first time without score). I liked the well-done conventional crescendo in the fast section of the first piece, the scherzo in general, as well as some of the inflections you brought out so well in the final piece. However, I think the middle voiced accompaniment could pulsate a bit more in the main sections, and the climax from 3:31 - 4:07 doesn't sound entirely convincing since the dynamics don't seem to extend past the sfz of the first chord, which sounded a bit jarring. Perhaps you can take some liberty with the sfzs?). Still, very lovely, and I really enjoyed this set in general, so thanks for recording this.


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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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Very nice, Luis! Well played - especially the second one. But do you not hear all the squeaky noise in the background? It's really loud on the first piece. Sounds like it could be your pedal? It's sort of squeaky and jingly - like little bells. You should attend to that before you make more recordings.

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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Affinity wrote:
Very lovely playing of these moving pieces (which I've all heard for the first time without score). I liked the well-done conventional crescendo in the fast section of the first piece, the scherzo in general, as well as some of the inflections you brought out so well in the final piece. However, I think the middle voiced accompaniment could pulsate a bit more in the main sections, and the climax from 3:31 - 4:07 doesn't sound entirely convincing since the dynamics don't seem to extend past the sfz of the first chord, which sounded a bit jarring. Perhaps you can take some liberty with the sfzs?). Still, very lovely, and I really enjoyed this set in general, so thanks for recording this.

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Very nice, Luis! Well played - especially the second one. But do you not hear all the squeaky noise in the background? It's really loud on the first piece. Sounds like it could be your pedal? It's sort of squeaky and jingly - like little bells. You should attend to that before you make more recordings.

Thank you, Monica.
Yes, I noticed that... It's my pedal! The first piece of the set was the last one I recorded. So it means that lately my pedal started making noises... but it wasn't one week ago. =\

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, Luis, but that just cracked me up.

Every once in a while my pedals make a strange noise too. It's all part of the piano getting acclimated in its new home, and also temperature fluctuations, which I'm sure you already know. Next time your piano tuner comes, he should be able to fix it. Mine did. Or try jiggling something down there, maybe you can fix it yourself; like possibly it's just a vibration.

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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you're right. and São Paulo has lots of EXTREME weather variations too.

within 2 years I'll change my piano to a bigger one (probably a Yamaha C2). I hadn't gotten a C2 becaus I didn't have all that time at that time, but now I'm working again. =D

I keep thinking... maybe I should change it right now, because... if it takes too much to accommodate to my room, it can be that when it finally accommodates, I will soon change to a new one, then wait 2 years more to accommodate... that would be 4 years waiting for the piano to feel at home in my room. =D

(though the piano tuner told me there will be a new Yamaha series, since Yamaha bought Bosendorfer. so maybe it would be better to wait a while and see how these new pianos will be. I simply can't wait too much: within 2 years, my piano tuner said he accepts back my piano for the same price I paid for. after 2 years, the price changes.)

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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I can't hear the noises on my cheap speakers, but (and forgive me if I'm stating something too obvious) are you wearing different shoes, compared to a week ago? Some rubber soles can make pedals squeak even when there's nothing wrong with the piano.


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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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Hi, Rainer!
Thanks for listening.

Yes, I was probably using the same shoes. =D
The thing is that the noise is not on the foot, but on the dampers when they reach the strings.

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Ok, these are on the site - please check.
You still did not supply all the tags - Album, Composer and Genre were missing. I wish people would take the small effort to check the rules and do it properly the first time.

Chris, I didn't fill in the other fields since they are not mandatory (according to the post about tags) and they are not properly used by the MP3 players: each one has a different way of showing them. That's why I never paid attention to them. But if it becomes mandatory, just tell me.

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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luissarro wrote:
The thing is that the noise is not on the foot, but on the dampers when they reach the strings.


What I hear is more of a metallic sound...like something jiggling. The sound of dampers on the strings is a swooshing sound. You probably just need something tightened or oiled. Have someone crawl under your piano while you play and see if they can find where the sound is coming from.
Although just to warn you, I once heard a strange noise coming from what I thought was my piano lamp and turned out it was a candle stick vase thingy that sits on my fireplace mantel way on the other side of the room. Sound waves....isn't that amazing! I was amazed when I finally figured it out.

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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Same here: I become exasperated while playing and hearing something in the room vibrating in sympathy. At times it was one of the screws on the lid, other times the score rack (is that what it is called?) that, in contact with the lid, vibrated, at others a nearby bell or silver spoon.

That should give you some idea what to hunt for.

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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pianolady wrote:
What I hear is more of a metallic sound...like something jiggling. The sound of dampers on the strings is a swooshing sound. You probably just need something tightened or oiled. Have someone crawl under your piano while you play and see if they can find where the sound is coming from.


you're right. I just checked right now, it has nothing to do with the dampers striking on the keys. But it is something of the pedal mechanism. If I just press the pedal, without even touching the keys, I hear the strings vibrating (and the noise, of course).

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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luissarro wrote:
you're right. I just checked right now, it has nothing to do with the dampers striking on the keys. But it is something of the pedal mechanism. If I just press the pedal, without even touching the keys, I hear the strings vibrating (and the noise, of course).
Because you say "and the noise", it looks like you are describing two different problems. You have the pedal mechanism making one kind of noise, and you also have "the strings vibrating" when the dampers lift off them. This second type of noise is, I think, what Monica means by "swooshing sound", and it is usually much more noticeable when the dampers lift off the strings than when they land on them. It is presumably caused by very slight friction between the surface fibres of the felt dampers and the strings, and it will probably never go away, it will just gradually become less noticeable as the fibres settle down, so it's a problem which is much worse on new pianos than on ones which have been played for a few years.

It may be that the mechanism noise also then echoes around the strings, so when you get the first problem fixed, perhaps the second one will be less bad.


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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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Ohhhh....don't cry, Luis. It's okay....it's really just a minor thing (probably). Your piano technician can fix it in a jiffy.
btw - Rainer is exactly right about the dampers making a swooshing sound louder when your piano is new. Mine did that too. Can't remember if I already told you this, but I even called Yamaha about it....they thought I was a little goofy. But if the swooshing sound bothers you that much, close your lid. That blocks the sound considerably.

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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And then, of course, youi get that peculiar and unmistakable sound that is made when a fly rubs it legs together. When this happens on the soundbox it is partcularly noticeable. Recordings done in summer are particularly troublesome in humid climes, where the buzzing of any passing mosquito is picked up by the new generstion of ultrasensitive microphones.

:roll:

Just as well that this is not the HS (Harpsichord Society): hear that mechanism and one will never again say a piaon is noisy!

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The sound of dust gathering on the piano is particularly troublesome too, as well as the growing of one's hair while playing :P

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A fly? :lol: :lol: :lol: You are cracking me up! Are you sure you don't mean a cricket or grasshopper?

Well, if dust and hair growing are bothersome, then we need to also add the sound of electricity coming out of light switches. :wink:

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And don't forget the constant patter of cosmic particles raining down on the earth. That must be what you are hearing sometimes :P

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Youse got the spirit of my comment and why I made it. :D Will anyone else get it too? :roll:

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techneut wrote:
And don't forget the constant patter of cosmic particles raining down on the earth. That must be what you are hearing sometimes :P


Ahh...so that's what it is. So annoying... :P

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richard66 wrote:
Just as well that this is not the HS (Harpsichord Society): hear that mechanism and one will never again say a piaon is noisy!

My piano teacher was a harpsichordist. He told me that controling the noise of the harpsichord mechanism is part of a good harpsichord player (and a very difficult one!).

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And then, of course, youi get that peculiar and unmistakable sound that is made when a fly rubs it legs together.

They are planning something!
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Nicely played! I definitely like no.2 the best; it has real sparkle to it. The others are slightly stereotypical early romantic offerings, though I think you caught a pleasingly improvisational aspect in the third.


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Thanks, Andrew!

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Hi Luis,

The best known of these three fantasies is No. 2, the Scherzo. You play all three well, but No. 2 in particular in my opinion. You get it right up to tempo too. Sometimes it's played too slowly. You give it a crisp articulation with close attention to touch, and it flows very nicely. I have to admit that Mendelssohn is not a favorite of mine, although I've played many of his Songs without Words. I don't think he was in the same league as Chopin, Schumann and Liszt. I find his music a bit too syrupy, and it often strikes me as superficial and predictable. So I actually took a greater interest in your playing than the music per se.

Your new piano sounds good. If you hear an odd noise now and then, it's usually in the regulation of the action or the pedal mechanism. Your tech can iron those out for you, I'm sure.

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Hi Luis,
I listend to all of these and they are all very nicely played. It is difficult not to be attracted to no.2 with it's uniquely Mendelssohnian features. I enjoyed them all. Thanks for the hard work and contribution.

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 Post subject: Re: Mendelssohn - Three Fantasies or Caprices Op. 16
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Rachfan wrote:
I have to admit that Mendelssohn is not a favorite of mine, although I've played many of his Songs without Words. I don't think he was in the same league as Chopin, Schumann and Liszt. I find his music a bit too syrupy, and it often strikes me as superficial and predictable.

Thanks for listening, David!

I'd say that Mendelssohn's music should be faced in an extroverted and light manner. If you get this mood, you'll enjoy his works.
But then I have recently listened to some boring Mendelssohn's pieces which made me change my mind... :cry:

musical-md wrote:
I listend to all of these and they are all very nicely played. It is difficult not to be attracted to no.2 with it's uniquely Mendelssohnian features. I enjoyed them all.

Thanks for listening, Eddy!

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