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 Post subject: Re: Yuja Wang
PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:08 pm 
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Tightrope walking, if you ask me and just asd impressive, but why would anyone want to play this?

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 Post subject: Re: Yuja Wang
PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:18 pm 
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Wow!!! Very impressive, indeed. Forget about playing that...I would not even want to practice it. Would certainly be the end of me!

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 Post subject: Re: Yuja Wang
PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:52 pm 
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sarah wrote:
I am interested to see how she grows, and I believe she can mature to be something really wonderful!

As I listened to her for the first time, I had the same thought (I had started a thread about her on this "Pianist Forum" and only Alfonso was interested - and judged her "boring") and I've followed her performances in Verbier for years. But her development is very disappointing. She doesn't get any better in her interpretations and artistic maturity, but just keeps up the good technique. The worst thing I experienced from her was a duo performance with Joshua Bell (Beethoven's Kreuzer sonata) in the last year. What I thought all the time was: "Poor Bell... he would never play with her again!" He did his best to harmonize with his partner, but Wang destoyed all his efforts.

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 Post subject: Re: Yuja Wang
PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:37 am 
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Ugh... another awful case of note diarrhoea, this Cziffra thing.
Wasting your efforts on drivel like this can't be good for one's musical development. It's not even a very charming performance. It's time for Wang to dig into some late Schubert instead of continuing to prove she can play more fast notes than anyone.

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 Post subject: Re: Yuja Wang
PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:07 pm 
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Guess I am not as critical a listener as the rest of you here. I am always impressed by pianists who play like Wang or really by anyone who plays virtuosic piano pieces. They can knock out two or three 'showy' pieces in a row and make it look easy, when I have to spend almost a whole year trying to get down one Goyescas or Chopin's Barcarolle. Really, I don't understand how you all can have such negative criticism toward Wang, or Kissin for that matter. Both played not only showy pieces in their concerts, but also slower, gentler pieces - very musically played! But their technical skill regarding lightning-fast notes and such - what's wrong with being impressed by that?! It's supposed to be impressive! And I don't understand when you say there is room in some of those kinds of pieces to make them yet more musical. How can that be? There is no time in the music for anything more. :?

So...well... I just don't get all this. Maybe if I spent more time listening to CDs or watching videos, I'd be better able to judge the 'musicianship' of players. I suppose it has a lot to do with the actual pieces I'm listening to, as well -- i.e. I can tell if a player plays a Chopin mazurka well, but I would not know if the player plays a 'showy' piece well, since mostly likely I've never looked at the music myself or taken time to compare players.

Okay, that's my last two cents. I have a couple more concerts coming up in my series: Kissin again on Friday and Andsnes the week after that. Probably I will be amazed and impressed as usual... :roll: :)

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 Post subject: Re: Yuja Wang
PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:23 pm 
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We're not saying a bad word about Wang. Just about the crap pieces she plays :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Yuja Wang
PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:55 pm 
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techneut wrote:
Ugh... another awful case of note diarrhoea, this Cziffra thing.
Wasting your efforts on drivel like this can't be good for one's musical development.


I've "wasted" a lot of my time on Cziffra's "drivel".. :)

I have to put my head above the parapet and state my opinion that the Cziffra (improvised) arrangments are a wonderful relic of a bygone age of virtuosi. Now they clearly aren't fully formed musical masterworks (compare Liszt's arrangements - he probably largely improvised them and exercised some level of subsequent editorial control to increase their coherence). But I'd argue they have to be seen for what they are i.e. improvisations created by a pianist with stellar technique. When a pianist has that level of technique, it might appear in the eyes of ordinary mortals to be showing off, whereas in reality I think it is self-expression in a form which is completely natural to that pianist. Cziffra himself said (I'm paraphrasing, appropriately :lol: , as I can't put my hands on the exact quote right now) "an improvisation is a musical thought insufficiently formed to last into eternity".

What I will say about a performer taking them onto stage is that I firmly believe anyone brave or foolish enough to do so absolutely has to play them as improvisations and not as concrete urtextised pieces of music; whether Wang did so in this case I'm in no position to know, but for me her performance lacks many nuances of the original.


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 Post subject: Re: Yuja Wang
PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:40 am 
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andrew wrote:
When a pianist has that level of technique, it might appear in the eyes of ordinary mortals to be showing off, whereas in reality I think it is self-expression in a form which is completely natural to that pianist.



Well said!

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