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 Post subject: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:05 pm 
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Hi everybody! I want to know how to master many difficult songs more quickly. But I don't know any quick ways other than practice everyday and do warming up before practising. Do you know what is the best solution for my problem?


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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:56 pm 
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Become Tammy Wu.

Seriously, this little girl (now 8) is on youtube, playing ridiculous things. She could be legendary. Then you read that she just looked at piano for the first time when she was 6. I think the only way to become a "master" *quickly* is to be born one. Otherwise, you gotta put in your 10,000 hours like everybody else.

Best of luck,

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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:11 am 
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Could well be Tammy Wu has put in her 10,000 hours already.... Or wait, there's probably not that many working hours in two years. Chinese piano whizkids are pushed to the extreme, I think. But yes this is amazing, and quite frustrating for us poor plodders who spend a lifetime trying to play like this. I am sure she will be snatched up by a big label very soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:39 pm 
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365 days * 3 hours/day = ~1000 hours per year. 9 hours per day is only 3000 hours a year. So about 4 years, 9 am to 5 pm *every day* to hit 10,000 hours. And I don't think the brain can retain that much that fast. You need sleep to allow the brain to do all the wiring.

So basically this little girl was just born this way. I don't feel so bad.


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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:04 pm 
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jcabraham wrote:
So basically this little girl was just born this way.

Absolutely. But apart from that, she's undoubtedly put in a LOT of hours, if not exactly 10,000. To such talent, everything else is often sacrificed.

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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
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totentanz wrote:
Hi everybody! I want to know how to master many difficult songs more quickly.

To master difficult songs, one should probably sing a lot. To master them more quickly, one should probably sing quicker.

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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
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I've stopped watching child prodigies on YouTube playing Liszt's "Concert Etudes", etc. It makes me want to sell my piano and take up the bass drum or maybe the triangle.

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Rachfan wrote:
I've stopped watching child prodigies on YouTube playing Liszt's "Concert Etudes", etc. It makes me want to sell my piano and take up the bass drum or maybe the triangle.

David


Ah, but the prodigies can't produce that seasoned Rachfan sound. :)


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Ah, but the prodigies can't produce that seasoned Rachfan sound. :)

So true ! I'll take a proficient, committed, and seasoned amateur over one of these Liszt-spewing whizkids any time.

BTW - Welcome to PS, goldentone.

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techneut wrote:
BTW - Welcome to PS, goldentone.


Thanks, Chris. Good to be here.


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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
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Thanks for that reassurance, guys! I resolve not to sell my piano after all! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
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totentanz, I listen to the music I am playing allot. If I am learning several hard peices, I put them all on my ipod and listen to them as much as possible in all situations. This gives me a familiarity with the music so I know instantly if I'm making mistakes when learning them, and I also know whats coming next.

Of course, the problem with that is that you might start to follow the style of the recording unconcously. Other than that, I dont think there is any easy way to learn complex peices. Sorry :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
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bass_clef wrote:
totentanz, I listen to the music I am playing allot. If I am learning several hard peices, I put them all on my ipod and listen to them as much as possible in all situations. This gives me a familiarity with the music so I know instantly if I'm making mistakes when learning them, and I also know whats coming next.

Of course, the problem with that is that you might start to follow the style of the recording unconcously. Other than that, I dont think there is any easy way to learn complex peices. Sorry :roll:

Bass


Nah, it's ok pal. We really need to practice really hard to master things hahaha.... of course it may took some time. but, that's what is needed, Right?


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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
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Haha! Yes most things in life that are worthwhile take time an patience.

I read in a book once that it might be a good idea to work on a group of music pieces that have similar problems and challenges to overcome. That way, if you solve a technical problem for one, you tend to solve it for the group. I think there is a certain amount of truth to that. I think its especially true when working on reading music at the piano instead of memorizing (but it applies in both cases I think.) That being said, it takes a long time for most people to master anything.


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bass_clef wrote:
totentanz, I listen to the music I am playing allot. If I am learning several hard peices, I put them all on my ipod and listen to them as much as possible in all situations. This gives me a familiarity with the music so I know instantly if I'm making mistakes when learning them, and I also know whats coming next.

Of course, the problem with that is that you might start to follow the style of the recording unconcously. Other than that, I dont think there is any easy way to learn complex peices. Sorry :roll:

Bass


Nah, it's ok pal. We really need to practice really hard to master things hahaha.... of course it may took some time. but, that's what is needed, Right?


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 Post subject: Re: Any quick ways to master many difficult songs?
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I wouldn't worry about these whizkid prodigys. They have a gift and started at a young age. A lot of virtuoso's may be able to play fast and play lots of notes, but most are terrible at playing well MUSICALLY. Look at Lang Lang for example. The kid is good and has some technical skills but he is really not that great musically, he is a showoff.


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