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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:42 pm 
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I have looked everywhere and cannot find the music score to a particular Piazzolla tango. It's titled, "Tzigane Tango" and you can hear Daniel Barenboim play it here (just a little bit of it):

http://www.amazon.com/Piazzolla-Tzigane ... 609&sr=8-1

I'm thinking that the piece is originally scored for other instruments like accordion etc...and someone transcribed it for piano solo. I found no reference that Piazzolla did and I'm not even sure the recording that you can hear is actually just Barenboim or if it's a duet. Can anyone help?

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
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Try this Monica, it might be a good start...

http://www.piazzolla.net/albums.php?fon ... ction_id=2
http://www.piazzolla.net/fichiers/partitions/3408.gif

The collection is priced at $50, but does include 20 tangos. Your right, the music may have the parts for a typical Argentine tango ensemble - piano, Bandoneon, guitar, violin. The first page looks promising, however, I am not sure if you have to transcribe the rest?... Wow! Astor Piazzolla is a fantastic composer! He's definitely a "5S" composer: Sultry, Suave, Sexy, Surging, and Seductive music with a pulse. I usually play his music, along with many other tango CDs when I entertain guests... No, don't worry, I am not seducing them. :P Besides none of my friends can dance the tango correctly, like in the movie "The Scent of A Woman." Ah! Maybe next time I have a party, I should hire a local teacher to teach my friends the Argentine tango...

I hope the music works out so we can hear more Piazzolla on PS?! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:06 pm 
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Thank you, George. That's close, but I'm still hoping to find that exact Tango already transcribed to piano solo. Wish I could just ask Daniel Barenboim if he'd send it to me.

And yesterday when I was driving around town, another Piazzolla tango came on the radio and I sat in my car in the parking lot to listen to the whole piece - you're right about those 5S's - I was rather 'warm' after that! :wink:

Btw - can I please come to your next party? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:50 am 
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Wish I could just ask Daniel Barenboim if he'd send it to me.

Hmmm, I am afraid asking won't help. But, if you make Danny B one of your amazing pizzas, I have a hunch he might give you a copy of the transcription before he finishes the last slice!

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Btw - can I please come to your next party?

Absolutely! The invite also goes to all PS members who have a pulse for Spanish music/dance. I usually have a theme at parties - Oktoberfest, 80's night, wine tasting, Folk Music Night, Italian Night, Cooking Night, or a movie/musical night, etc. Hey, the more I think about it, the better it's beginning to sound: Tango Night! or Tango De La Noche! The entertainment room is accommodating for dancing, especially with the parquet floor and bar. I have a friend likes to hang a crystal ball from the vaulted ceiling! She says it's like 'Dancing With The Stars!' I know an Argentine couple who teach the Argentine tango, as well as other Latin dance at a local education center, and I am sure they'll oblige for an eager group of 20-30...

The closest I ever got to 'Dancing With Any Star' was 2 years ago, on a tour of Spain. I attended a gypsy flamenco show in Sacromonte, in Granada. These are a succession of caves, literally carved into the mountain, where there are different shows in each cave as you walk along the street. What a "5S" night that was as one of the flamenco dancers picked me from the audience to dance with her on the dance floor - that was my 15 minutes of flamenco fame. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
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Btw - can I please come to your next party?

Absolutely! The invite also goes to all PS members who have a pulse for Spanish music/dance. )


Great - just name the date! And can you bring the party to Chicago? I also have one of those hanging crystal balls and also another kind of hanging light that makes colorful stars fly around the room - also have strobe lights and lava lamps (don't ask...) :lol: .

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
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Oh Wow, Tango on Lake Michigan. Struttin' up State Street -- that Great Street. Waltzin' through Wrigleyville. Lambada in the Loop. Sounds great. I'll hop on the "City of New Orleans" from Chambana to Toddle in that town.

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That's the spirit, Scott! And since we're planning a party, let's do it in a couple months - Chicago is great in the summertime!!

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
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Great, two people have already contracted tango fever in Chicago! With the exception of the polar extremes, I can party just about anywhere. If tango fever catches on in Chicago, just let me know well in advance because I am already booked through June. BTW, I never asked if there are PS members in Boston?...

One of my patients who owns a dance studio thought that a Tango Night would be a great idea and gave me info on a great Latin dance instructor that gives the entire enchilada about the cultural and musical background for each tango or flamenco dance. I've decided to host Tango Night! in mid-May (Boston). I'll make tapas, sangria, margaritas at the bar, and have my photos of Andalusia cycling on the large screen in the background. The room is 25x26 with a 15ft vaulted ceiling, so the acoustics should be fine for a 4/5 piece traditional Argentine band, and there's enough room to spare for those swooshing dance steps without breaking anything - Zoinks! 8)

... Crystal balls, colored stars, strobe lights, and lava lamps, huh?... OMG! Ever thought of opening a lamp store?... OK, OK I won't ask... :)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:39 pm 
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88man wrote:
Great, two people have already contracted tango fever in Chicago! With the exception of the polar extremes, I can party just about anywhere. If tango fever catches on in Chicago, just let me know well in advance because I am already booked through June. BTW, I never asked if there are PS members in Boston?...

Not sure.

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One of my patients who owns a dance studio thought that a Tango Night would be a great idea and gave me info on a great Latin dance instructor that gives the entire enchilada about the cultural and musical background for each tango or flamenco dance. I've decided to host Tango Night! in mid-May (Boston). I'll make tapas, sangria, margaritas at the bar, and have my photos of Andalusia cycling on the large screen in the background. The room is 25x26 with a 15ft vaulted ceiling, so the acoustics should be fine for a 4/5 piece traditional Argentine band, and there's enough room to spare for those swooshing dance steps without breaking anything - Zoinks!


I really have to convince my family that I have to go to Boston in May - need a good reason other than I have to attend a party. Got any ideas?

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... Crystal balls, colored stars, strobe lights, and lava lamps, huh?... OMG! Ever thought of opening a lamp store?... OK, OK I won't ask...

:lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
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I've never been to Boston, but have always wanted to go. Oh, and Tapas too!!

We could also "Tango across America". Tango in Boston in May, Chicago in June, Denver in July, and Seattle in August! Would make a great summer.

Scott

(BTW, how did we get from Piazzolla to Boston. Me thinks someone's GPS is running amok.)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
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I've been to Boston twice. But I didn't know George then. :( I do love tapas, though. We have a nice Spanish restaurant in town that has great food - it's where I first learned about tapas.

Piazolla...hmmm...well....I dunno.... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
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How did we get from Piazzolla to Boston then onto Chicago? Fortunately, with ease! We are only fulfilling the intentions of the composer in appreciation, and perpetuating his music in celebration, thousands of miles away from Argentina. I am sure Sr. Astor would approve of us being positive missionaries of his music on PS. "Tango Across America?!" Scott is right on! I generally don't like big cities, but Chicago is definitely on my list of places to visit! The closest I got was a connection flight en route to Ohio where I found my current piano.

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I really have to convince my family that I have to go to Boston in May - need a good reason other than I have to attend a party. Got any ideas?
I wouldn't want to be rude, so why not invite the whole family as guests? There are 4 spare bedrooms. Boston has many historical, national, cultural, literary, and musical venues. Where I live, there are also many points of interests relating to the birthplace of the American Revolution. Friends tell me that I am a good guide since I love history. If the weather cooperates, Cape Cod offers a traditional maritime ambiance 2hrs away (pix on FB), and if the boat is ready by May, sailing off of Nantucket is spectacular for up to 6 people...

Hope to see Scott, Monica & Family, and others in Boston!

In all earnest, even if tango aficionados can't make it Tango Night! in May, then I am going to post a thread to see if there is any interest of PS members getting together on a local/regional level. No agendas, no motives, other than the camaraderie forged through the mutual appreciation for classical piano music, just for the sake of music! That should be enough to warrant a venue of its own...

Monica, I am not sure if you've read Astor Piazzolla, A Memoir? It's his memoir compiled in collection of interviews. He produced quite a musical revolution in Argentina going against the grain of the traditional tango. His Nuevo Tango (new style tango) incorporated the new spices of jazz, counterpoint, and dissonance above and beyond the traditional forms. To some degree, Piazzolla's music was the impetus for political changes that took place in Argentina. You won't find a "wine spritzer" nor a "light beer" approach to his music; it contains all the top shelf ingredients as found in "Long Island ice tea" or "Hurricane" mixes. I find his tangos to be more potent and intoxicating than the traditional forms.

His memoir, great reading: http://www.amazon.com/Astor-Piazzolla-A ... 1574670670
A very revealing documentary DVD made by the BBC: http://www.amazon.com/Astor-Piazzolla-P ... pd_sim_b_1
Tangos arranged for piano (I don't have this one, so I can't comment): http://www.amazon.com/Astor-Piazzolla-P ... pd_sim_b_6

One of my favorite recordings of Piazzolla's Tangos is by Pablo Ziegler and his orchestra. If you don't have it, let me know. Pablo Ziegler was the pianist in Piazzolla's second quintet. He is now the torch bearer of the neuvo tango. He is the real deal as the "5S's" are so palpable in this recording... I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel Barenboim got the transcription from Pablo Ziegler... Mmm?... You might want to save that amazing pizza for the family instead, however, can you save me a slice?... :D

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:31 pm 
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88man wrote:
I wouldn't want to be rude, so why not invite the whole family as guests? There are 4 spare bedrooms. Boston has many historical, national, cultural, literary, and musical venues. Where I live, there are also many points of interests relating to the birthplace of the American Revolution. Friends tell me that I am a good guide since I love history. If the weather cooperates, Cape Cod offers a traditional maritime ambiance 2hrs away (pix on FB), and if the boat is ready by May, sailing off of Nantucket is spectacular for up to 6 people...


I too enjoy history and last time I was in Boston we saw many of the historical sites. But I am sure I didn't see 'everything'. So great - me and my husband Billy Bob and our ten youngins will hop in our converted school bus, which is also our home, and drive to Boston. Be a nice change sleeping in a real bedroom! :lol: (sorry, I'm in a weird mood). Seriously George, you are so kind and generous, but I don't really want my whole family to come along. If I am by myself, then I can finally do what I want to do/get my own way...well...most of the time I do, but still... However, I know my husband doesn't like when I jet off somewhere unless it's work-related, so he'll probably want to come with me. But we're not bringing the kids! :wink:

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Hope to see Scott, Monica & Family, and others in Boston!

I hope so too! And the invitation also stands for everyone to come visit me in Chicago.

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. No agendas, no motives, other than the camaraderie forged through the mutual appreciation for classical piano music - For the sake of music! That should be enough to warrant a venue of its own...

I have wanted that for a long time. Even though the economy is improving slightly, I think many people are still tightening their belts and not taking as many vacations. My own family is staying home a lot more these days because we'll have two kids in college next year, and the younger one now needs his own car (that will make 4 cars for us - lots of gas/insurance/etc to pay for!).

Regarding Piazzolla - I really have not studied or read much about him at all. If I ever get time to read again, I'll check out that memoir. And no, I do not know about Pablo Ziegler. But I did just now order that piano music book that you showed above, plus I also ordered another book too - this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/085162 ... _sim_01_01

I think I'm in big trouble because I keep ordering new music and then spend time learning it all, instead of practicing the music I should be practicing for that 'other project' I'm working on (shhhh....). I can't help it, though. It's like a drug - this learning new music. Oh, well...you only live once, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:33 am 
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Wasn't there a show about that years ago, except I think they were heading toward the other coast. :)
Monica, you'll have your hands full with 2 collegians. Well, with 4 cars you can open a dealership too now, in addition to the lamp store. :)
I just had a 12hr day of doing surgery, dentistry, etc... So it's my turn to be in a "weird mood." :P
In any case, Mr. and Mrs., and Scott are still cordially invited to Boston. :D

Thanks for the link, I didn't know about the other Piazzolla album. Yup, it's true! "You only live once," but not with the new Health Care Bill. Yes, it's always nice to have extra music since his music is not in the free/public domain.

As for me, I finally learned that Chopin Waltz No. 16 in D-flat to get the fingers going, but I might wait to start recording until I have the piano tuned next month. My piano keeps tune well in most registers, but it's been a year.

You know, I have to confess one thing, with all the cultural, culinary, musical, dance, and travel exposure to Spain, I have yet to learn a Spanish piece on the piano - Zoinks and shame on me! :oops: I am going to try that "I aM SLoP" site and see if I can find some Spanish music there?... Ever since I was a kid, I used to love listening to music while lying down, just before going to sleep, and Asturias (Leyenda) of Albeniz on the guitar was one of my favorites... It might be fun to finally learn it and play it on the piano. Fortunately, not much has changed since childhood in that I still don't have to worry about waking up anybody at night, even if I were to play it on the piano... If I have any questions I'll post it in the "Repertoire" section. Another piece that I could lose my sobriety over is El Fandango de Candil (Goyescas) with its eloquence, panache, and the "5S's." But, I'll break the ice with Asturias first...

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No, wait! I forgot that I did learn some Spanish music by Lecuona in junior high... See what happens when you turn 40?!

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Wasn't there a show about that years ago, except I think they were heading toward the other coast. :)
Monica, you'll have your hands full with 2 collegians. Well, with 4 cars you can open a dealership too now, in addition to the lamp store. :)

I ain't selling my disco balls, strobe lights, or lava lamps! :lol:


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As for me, I finally learned that Chopin Waltz No. 16 in D-flat to get the fingers going, but I might wait to start recording until I have the piano tuned next month. My piano keeps tune well in most registers, but it's been a year.

Lately, I've been getting my piano tuned every four months. But I think I may be a little too sensitive to sounds and could get away with having it tuned every six months, instead. But yes, hurry up and get your piano tuned and then record the Chopin!


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You know, I have to confess one thing, with all the cultural, culinary, musical, dance, and travel exposure to Spain, I have yet to learn a Spanish piece on the piano - Zoinks and shame on me! :oops: I am going to try that "I aM SLoP" site and see if I can find some Spanish music there?... Ever since I was a kid, I used to love listening to music while lying down, just before going to sleep, and Asturias (Leyenda) of Albeniz on the guitar was one of my favorites... It might be fun to finally learn it and play it on the piano. Fortunately, not much has changed since childhood in that I still don't have to worry about waking up anybody at night, even if I were to play it on the piano... If I have any questions I'll post it in the "Repertoire" section. Another piece that I could lose my sobriety over is El Fandango de Candil (Goyescas) with its eloquence, panache, and the "5S's." But, I'll break the ice with Asturias first...


Guess what? I just discovered another Spanish composer by the name of Oscar Espla and I plan on recording a nice little set of short pieces of his in the next day or so. They have the neatest harmonies - I'm really loving the music. But not as much as Granados, of course. If you learn El Fandango, I may have to ask you to marry me (we used to do that around here LOL)!

I started working on El Fandango myself not long ago, but stopped because I knew it would take too much time away from perfecting no.2 Coloquio en la Reja which I recorded but am still practicing because it's on my repertoire list on the 'other project'.

Regarding Asturias, right now I can only play it on my guitar. I have the book though and have it on my list of sets to complete one day. Except I have only learned and recorded the first two, Granada and Cataluña. So it would be great if you want to also take on Asturias and others from the set so we could have a complete op. 47 on the site.

Funny, when I first read your reference to IMSLP, I thought you said you were a slob. hehe.

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88man wrote:
No, wait! I forgot that I did learn some Spanish music by Lecuona in junior high... See what happens when you turn 40?!


They say the mind is the second thing to go.....

I forgot the first. :?:

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Hmm, maybe I should learn Asturias second?... :wink: :P I've never been married, either in real life or on PS. I am intrigued, what's marrying on PS all about?...
If it involves diamonds, you're in luck because that's my folk's business. Although something tells me it might involve long and difficult hours practice instead, all 14 pages worth, right?... Wait a minute, that last sentence sounds like real marriage from what my friends tell me, so there might not be any discernible difference?!... :P

I am not familiar with Oscar Espla. I am curious to hear his music soon. I heard your Granados and Albeniz recordings and they sound wonderful indeed, full of amazement and zeal. You have a nice mix of great selections on the site. As far as composers go, I find that Albeniz is more nationalistic, but Granados is like the Spanish Chopin.

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Scott, I know the score to that game: 40-love, as they say in tennis. Listen, just start counting backwards on each birthday. Besides, the older we get, the more we become like children anyway, so why not get a head start? :)

I am beginning to think there is a great sense of humor and vitality in Chicago?!... U 2 Rock! (Classically speaking, of course)

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Scott, I know the score to that game: 40-love, as they say in tennis. Listen, just start counting backwards on each birthday. Besides, the older we get, the more we become like children anyway, so why not get a head start? :)

I am beginning to think there is a great sense of humor and vitality in Chicago?!... U 2 Rock! (Classically speaking, of course)


Count backwards from 40 -- Hmmm, that would make me 24 :lol: . Actually, I have started lying about my age. I add 10 years. I look damn good for a 66 year old, but I would look like hell as a 46 year old. It saves on cosmetic surgery.

You have to have a sense of humor to live in the state that brought the world Blago. I think that we have the only governorship that is only a step on the way to prison!!! :roll: .

I love Chi-town, but I am actually from the part of Illinois that ISN'T Chicago (like most of the state.) :wink: . It is difficult to ask Chicagoans to visit the rest of the state because they get lost in the middle of the corn fields.

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Sorry it took me so long to respond. I had to take my son to the hospital very late on Tuesday night and now 36 hours later, I am home again. So is my son but minus his appendix.

About the marriage thing - when one member did something that another member really really liked, then the one member would ask the other member to marry him/her. I only asked one other member to marry me once, but I'm sure he would be very happy to relinquish the liaison. In fact, I'm pretty sure he divorced me a long time ago, as he said I was too much to handle. :( And another member who long ago asked me to marry him has recently gone a little crazy and stormed off the forum. So, George, you are duly warned! :wink: But there are those diamonds...hmmm...perhaps I can learn to behave myself.... :lol:

I wholeheartedly agree about Granados being the Spanish Chopin. And yes, please hurry up and learn 'Fandango' and 'Asturias'! I have not yet finished recording my Espla music. A death in the family last week, and now my son being sick this week put a stop to everything. I'm hoping to finish up recording tomorrow. And today in the mail I've received those two Piazzolla books I had just ordered. I'm so surprised at how fast they arrived! A Granados book I ordered not long ago took almost two months to receive; these Piazzolla books, which were also shipped from Europe, took only a couple days. And I got free shipping from Amazon.com! :) I'm just dying to crack open these books today, but probably won't have time to do so until next week.

Scott - you're funny. The only thing I will admit is that I'm not 30 anymore. And have you watched Blagojevich on 'Celebrity Apprentice'? I have not, but the previews looked funny.

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Monica, first of all, I hope your son is doing well? It seems they may have caught it in time if he's home after 36 hours. Even still, best wishes for a speedy recovery and hope he feels well soon!!!...

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What a kind gesture, I never knew that about PS. As for those 2 guys, they really wimped out! My answer is: Yes, I do. I'll have to learn the Fandango in sickness and in health, and for richer or poorer, ... :D Oh & BTW, diamonds last forever, so no need to worry about behavior since I don't have any issues with insecurity or ego. In fact, I joined PS because my teacher passed away 12 years ago, and I thought that musical camaraderie and criticism on recordings would provide the best motivation to improve my playing. As moderators, you and Chris have earned your trust with the entire forum through your integrity, honesty, and objectivity in evaluating recordings. I am thankful that I can post recordings (as infrequent as they may be) and get honest feedback from a lot of generous and knowledgeable pianists here. If it's good, great! If not, at least I'll know what to practice. Parting words on this subject from my teacher... "There are those who don't know that they don't know, and there are those who know that they don't know." I belong to the latter, as I am always trying to learn and find new ways to improve in every facet of life that I can.

Thank you for the kind proposal, and I hope I can live up to learning the El Fandango de Candil...

Whenever you get the chance, I am very curious on what you think about the new Piazzolla books?...

In the meantime, I wish the entire family good health and much happiness...

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Monica, first of all, I hope your son is doing well? It seems they may have caught it in time if he's home after 36 hours. Even still, best wishes for a speedy recovery and hope he feels well soon!!!...

Thank you for that! He is doing well, now. The night when it all started was hard - he was in so much pain, so I rushed him to the emergency room and just a couple hours later he was up in surgery. As his mother, it was of course hard to see my 'baby' in distress. One funny little thing - it happened in the middle of the night and I was in such a hurry to get dressed that I had not realized I had put on two different gym shoes. It was three hours later when I was sitting in the waiting room and looked down at my feet and saw one white shoe and one gray shoe :oops: :lol:. But these days, an appendectomy is a lot easier; they make two holes on one side of the abdomen and go in with tubes and a scope, and then somehow the appendix comes out through a third hole on the other side of the abdomen. Not sure if I explained that right, but the whole thing is much less invasive than it used to be. Like all medical procedures these days. (Remember we talked about how we wished that we lived in earlier days when things were more romantic, yet we'd surely not like medical care in those times.)


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What a kind gesture, I never knew that about PS. As for those 2 guys, they really wimped out! My answer is: Yes, I do. I'll have to learn the Fandango in sickness and in health, and for richer or poorer, ... :D Oh & BTW, diamonds last forever, so no need to worry about behavior since I don't have any issues with insecurity or ego. In fact, I joined PS because my teacher passed away 12 years ago, and I thought that musical camaraderie and criticism on recordings would provide the best motivation to improve my playing. As moderators, you and Chris have earned your trust with the entire forum through your integrity, honesty, and objectivity in evaluating recordings. I am thankful that I can post recordings (as infrequent as they may be) and get honest feedback from a lot of generous and knowledgeable pianists here. If it's good, great! If not, at least I'll know what to practice. Parting words on this subject from my teacher... "There are those who don't know that they don't know, and there are those who know that they don't know." I belong to the latter, as I am always trying to learn and find new ways to improve in every facet of life that I can.

I've nothing to add here; I just really like what you said!

Oooh, and even though I am so behind on practicing my other stuff, I couldn't wait and last night played through a couple of the Piazzolla tangos. My first impression is that they're great! I'm so excited and not sure I can hold off learning some of them all the way - right away!

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Absolutely, most GI procedures are not invasive as they used to be. After all the stress your family went through, I am glad your son is doing fine. :D You're right, modern medicine would be the only thing I'd take in my time capsule (pre Health Care Bill of course, as he will have had to wait in long lines for the same procedure).
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It's a good thing the Fashion Police were not on patrol that evening. However, under such circumstances, I don't think they would've cited you, maybe a warning at the most. :P

I am glad that you like the Piazzolla tangos. Don't give in to temptation if you're working on other projects. :wink: Easier said than done, but the important thing is that you have them now and you'll learn them better with a clear conscience when it's the right time. I finally downloaded the Asturias and El Fandango de Candil last night. I was in the mood, so I also ordered several other Ernesto Lecuona books. Andalucia is the only suite I've played, and that was years ago. But, I am trying to resist the temptation myself as I am trying to finish my paperwork before I start practicing - YAWN! I peeked at the music too late last night... I already see several anomalies in the 2 scores on Asturias - Zoinks!... Oh well, that's for another day, another post...

BTW, good luck on the project(s)! :)

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Monica,

I too am glad that your son is doing well. Careful about those shoes, you may start a new fashion trend.

I'm anxious to here some of your Pizza guy's music.

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Scott - Thank you for the kind words about my son. You and George are true gentlemen for saying things like that. I just want you both to know how much I appreciate it and respect you guys because of it. Also, Piazzolla, I mean, "Pizza guy" - that is so funny! :lol:

George - Is your Goyescas ready yet? :lol: I do love that piece; now I'm singing it in my head. But whatever you do, don't try singing the 3rd movement of the Tempest when you're in the shower. I was doing that the other day - or trying to (it's really hard to sing! lol). Anyway, my son happened to hear me and said I sounded like a sick dog. :oops: :lol: But regarding Asturias - let me know if you need to look at another score: I can scan mine so you can see it if you want to check something. Lecuona - I am not too familiar with his music; I've only listened to some of it as I was putting up other members' recordings and that was a while ago so I don't remember it. Looking forward to hearing more from you when you get your books!

But you know, the Piazzolla thing is wearing off a little now. I've played through several Tangos and although I was first excited when I played through them the first time, they are not holding my interest so much anymore. It's disappointing. Not sure if the music is not written well enough, or if I'm just hard to please. I'll still record a couple of them since I bought the books and all that. And maybe I'll put on a slinky black dress, high heels, and stick a rose in my mouth - perhaps that will re-ignite my interest in the music. :wink:

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If singing doesn't work in the shower, try to whistle instead, as long as you don't get water in your mouth. :P

I am sorry to hear that the Piazzolla has lost his pizazz so soon. I wonder, are the pieces arranged, transcribed, or are they original?
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... Mine and the audience's too! :wink: :lol: Seriously, I am going to look through some recordings this week and find some of his representative music and I'll send them as an attachment. If the novelty is wearing off now, don't worry, because you'll most likely come back to it in the future as I have rediscovered Ernesto Lecuona after 17 years. It was like love at first site as I listened to a recording that I had on my shelf for years. I'll try to learn and record Lecuona's pieces for the site, hopefully with a new "6S" that he deserves, (5S + 1 for Spanish flair).

The anomalies in the 2 editions of the Asturias I downloaded drove me crazy on Friday, so I ended up learning the Asturias in the process over the weekend. I hope that's not grounds for a PS divorce? As my first Spanish piece in a long time, I thought the Fandango would take longer to learn. I hope the Fandango from IMSLP is authentic? That's next anyway as the other music won't arrive for another 3-4 weeks - Zoinks! I forgot to mention that I had also ordered the Suite Espagnola, Op. 47, edited by Isidor Philipp (International Music Company). Is that the edition you have?... I'll have to compare it to the downloaded 2 editions. I don't want to hijack your thread, so I'll post my Asturias issues on a separate thread.

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If singing doesn't work in the shower, try to whistle instead, as long as you don't get water in your mouth. :P

That would probably not be a problem. However, avoid whistling while eating dry biscuits.

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But you know, the Piazzolla thing is wearing off a little now. I've played through several Tangos and although I was first excited when I played through them the first time, they are not holding my interest so much anymore. It's disappointing.

It happens sometime that you hear something and immediately think "I *must* play that". Only to find that once you get your hands on it, it is not as good as you thought (or maybe, you just can't make it sound as good as the guy on the radio did). Best to listen to things a couple of times, and let them sink in, before ordering the book.

I think Piazolla's nice, if you like the style, but there is not so much musical substance to it. Also, he's overrated. Especially here, since our crown prince married his Argentinian girl Maxima, and our foremost bandoneon player played Piazolla at the wedding, and made Maxima cry. That was good footage... Now all you hear on the radio is Piazzolla tangos :roll:

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I don't think I will ever find that piece I heard on the radio that got me onto Piazzolla in the first place. It's actually very nice.

But here is some important information: It's easier to whistle the 3rd mov't of the Tempest than it is to sing. I just tried it - maybe I'll make a new recording for the site! :lol:

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here I sit procrastinating and killing time watching Youtube videos, instead of practicing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR1a5VJq ... re=related

I still love these guys. And George - it's not exactly Scent of a Woman, but I get some S's out of it. Maybe Bach people do too...

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Hi Monica, why not call the radio station and get the info from the director. Have the approximate date and time on hand. They may have a limited selection from Piazzolla, and if they're not sure they may give you a list of a few possibilities from their library, and you can simply identify the piece from there. There may also be a schedule online in calender form of that station. Good Luck!

From WTC to tango?... Very amusing video! I would think one would have their hands full when dancing the tango, let alone playing the violin at the same time. That would be a good stunt for Tango Night! 8) :lol:

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Hi George,
I already know the name of the piece; the problem is finding it in print. Oh well....But just a moment ago I opened my Piazzolla books again and read through a piece that is pretty amazing. Actually, it's very sad - I think Piazzolla must have had a broken heart when he wrote it because it's one of the saddest pieces I've ever heard. I definitely want to learn it.

p.s. get a video camera ready for that Tango party!

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... just a moment ago I opened my Piazzolla books again and read through a piece that is pretty amazing. Actually, it's very sad - I think Piazzolla must have had a broken heart when he wrote it because it's one of the saddest pieces I've ever heard. I definitely want to learn it.
The irony of sadness is that it can be sweet... George

That's how I would describe nostalgia. I've often wondered why some of us find a therapeutic understanding in the voice of melancholy. It has nothing to do with unhappiness or solitude, but everything to do with inner peace found in nostalgia. I think it presents a frame of mind, that is based on compassion, understanding, and appreciation for a place, person, or time. It is an odyssey, search, or longing towards the feeling of "Home" and "Peace." The element of nostalgia in music represents a powerful message to convey, and if performed with deep understanding and communication, it has a captivating and hypnotic effect on the listener that could last for days. At least for me it does...

Now you have me in suspense over this piece... You are probably busy with other projects, but I sense it will be worth the wait to have you play it for us when you get a chance...

The other irony is that over the weekend, while I was searching for a piece to learn that didn't involve F-natural, (I am still waiting for my F-n agraffe to be fixed), I also discovered a very sad and nostalgic piece by a new composer for PS. Hopefully I can record it very soon...

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The other irony is that over the weekend, while I was searching for a piece to learn that didn't involve F-natural, (I am still waiting for my F-n agraffe to be fixed), I also discovered a very sad and nostalgic piece by a new composer for PS. Hopefully I can record it very soon...

You better get working on the bio, George ! :D

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The irony of sadness is that it can be sweet... George


Good one, George! That's a great sentiment - I like it a lot.

And while I agree with how you correlate melancholy and nostalgia, when I feel sadness while playing certain pieces it is because I am actually thinking about a particular person - one who is alive and whom I wish I could see and be with but cannot. For me, that is safer and less sad than the alternative, but it's still sad enough to tug on my heartstrings, which then makes me get into the music and fantasize like crazy (which I can't help doing). But that also makes it so that I don't learn the piece that quickly because I forget what I just played since my mind was wandering and so I have to actually practice it longer before I get it down. Not sure all that makes sense. :oops: Basically, all it means is that it will be a few days before I can learn the Piazzolla piece well enough to record. :wink:

However, you now have my interest piqued regarding the piece/composer you have discovered. Can you give us a little hint? I love guessing games. If not, then okay I guess we'll have to wait for your recording (so please hurry up :) ).

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...when I feel sadness while playing certain pieces it is because I am actually thinking about a particular person - one who is alive and whom I wish I could see and be with but cannot. For me, that is safer and less sad than the alternative, but it's still sad enough to tug on my heartstrings, which then makes me get into the music and fantasize like crazy (which I can't help doing). But that also makes it so that I don't learn the piece that quickly because I forget what I just played since my mind was wandering and so I have to actually practice it longer before I get it down. Not sure all that makes sense.
It makes more sense than you might think... :wink: Therein lies the mysterious power of music. It's not uncommon to also relate to someone in musical terms. In other words, an individual can be an inspiration to conjure up the image of a particular piece of music. Perhaps, it's a trait that we musicians share? I've often wondered about that. I think it can apply in either direction: The music can inspire the person; Or the person can inspire the music. Music is the language of emotion, and you're right, it's very easy for emotions to get the better of us, even to the point of inhibiting the ability to play any longer and everything seems to come to a halt. Ah, music is the most wonderful, elusive, and unexplored frontier yet. You never know what's going to happen when you're at the piano. Sure beats "Movies on Demand," We'll call it "Music On Demand?" Indeed, the piano can be a vehicle liberating us from the blasé world we all live in and take us on a journey of our fancy every time we play...

Speaking of play... It's GAME TIME on PS! The category is "Name That Composer?" - This 19th century composer was born on an island nation. He first studied piano from his father, then with Louis Moreau Gottschalk, and then went to study at the Paris Conservatory. Who is the composer of the nostalgic, melancholic, sad, but sweet piece?...

I couldn't get this piece out of my head. I was sight reading the sheets of music even during my lunch hour this week. I can't explain with words why I am so enamored with this little piece. But, I'll let the recording be my voice and pen. I couldn't wait another 2 weeks to have the piano tuned, so I recorded the piece late last night. Fortunately, my piano doesn't go out of tune by much. I will refrain from posting the recording until after our little game on PS. :)

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Oh George - I knew you were a fun guy! I have much to say, but I'm so very tired and can't keep my eyes open for one more minute. I'll respond to everything on the forum tomorrow. But for now I just want to put in my guess as to the 'mystery composer'. Is it Ignacio Cervantes?

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...continuing from last night....

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Indeed, the piano can be a vehicle liberating us from the blasé world we all live in and take us on a journey of our fancy every time we play...


I like that! And yes, my mind can wander when I play piano - however, I have to first know the notes pretty well. When I start a new piece, I don't 'wander' because I'm concentrating on working everything out. But when I'm able to play straight through, that's when the fantasizing kicks in. I suppose that makes sense. Is it like that with you? I wonder if other members here have wandering minds when they play, or do they just stay focused on playing the music all the time?

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:shock: :lol: (Sirens going off)... You have just hit the Daily Double!!!! (More sirens): Ignacio Cervantes is correct! :D 8)

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And yet, you came up with the name of a less known composer in such a frame of mind?! Wow Monica! You're amazing! Don't tell me you're in the "Amazing Business" too like Mr. Pacino? :) Thanks for livening me up to an otherwise bad day.

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And yes, my mind can wander when I play piano - however, I have to first know the notes pretty well. When I start a new piece, I don't 'wander' because I'm concentrating on working everything out. But when I'm able to play straight through, that's when the fantasizing kicks in. I suppose that makes sense. Is it like that with you?
It's like that with me when I improvise at the piano. If I wander, it's always toward a particular musical direction. I still have manuscripts from junior high and high school. In the last several years, I've been recording free improvisations since I no longer have any time to write ideas down. Recording improvisations at the piano has become my musical diary - all my thoughts, creativity, inspirations, aspirations are reflected in these little pieces... Someday when I retire, (hopefully sooner than later in life) I'd like to go back in time and "complete" them by turning them into compositions. On a rare occasion, I'll peak at these manuscripts, and their memories and inspirations seem to come alive again, as if it was just yesterday... See now, I wandering and fantasizing again..... :wink:

Now that you have solved the mystery composer, I'll post it soon. If it's deemed worthy, I will gladly post a bio shortly thereafter...

Oh, and thanks for coming out to play. I just may tickle you to play another game again on PS... :P

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In the last several years, I've been recording free improvisations since I no longer have any time to write ideas down. Recording improvisations at the piano has become my musical diary - all my thoughts, creativity, inspirations, aspirations are reflected in these little pieces... Someday when I retire, (hopefully sooner than later in life) I'd like to go back in time and "complete" them by turning them into compositions. On a rare occasion, I'll peak at these manuscripts, and their memories and inspirations seem to come alive again, as if it was just yesterday...


A musical diary - that's interesting. I can't do that. I'm not creative enough. I can insert a personal feeling or emotion into an already written piece of music, but I can't actually make up a piece of music that fits my emotions. Unless pounding on the keyboard to match my frustrations could be considered a composition or improvisation? :lol:

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Now that you have solved the mystery composer, I'll post it soon. If it's deemed worthy, I will gladly post a bio shortly thereafter...


Ok good - I'm very curious to hear the piece!

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Oh, and thanks for coming out to play. I just may tickle you to play another game again on PS... :P


I love games! But please don't touch my sides and knees! :lol:

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Oh, and thanks for coming out to play. I just may tickle you to play another game again on PS... :P

That be nice. But this was really trivial... The very first Google match on "gottschalk pupil" gave it away.

BTW, I did not read Cervantes took lessons from his father. More interestingly, he studied with Alkan in Paris. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall...

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Oh, George.....I'm waiting.... :P :)

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