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 Post subject: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:42 pm 
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I have looked everywhere and cannot find the music score to a particular Piazzolla tango. It's titled, "Tzigane Tango" and you can hear Daniel Barenboim play it here (just a little bit of it):

http://www.amazon.com/Piazzolla-Tzigane ... 609&sr=8-1

I'm thinking that the piece is originally scored for other instruments like accordion etc...and someone transcribed it for piano solo. I found no reference that Piazzolla did and I'm not even sure the recording that you can hear is actually just Barenboim or if it's a duet. Can anyone help?

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:10 am 
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Try this Monica, it might be a good start...

http://www.piazzolla.net/albums.php?fon ... ction_id=2
http://www.piazzolla.net/fichiers/partitions/3408.gif

The collection is priced at $50, but does include 20 tangos. Your right, the music may have the parts for a typical Argentine tango ensemble - piano, Bandoneon, guitar, violin. The first page looks promising, however, I am not sure if you have to transcribe the rest?... Wow! Astor Piazzolla is a fantastic composer! He's definitely a "5S" composer: Sultry, Suave, Sexy, Surging, and Seductive music with a pulse. I usually play his music, along with many other tango CDs when I entertain guests... No, don't worry, I am not seducing them. :P Besides none of my friends can dance the tango correctly, like in the movie "The Scent of A Woman." Ah! Maybe next time I have a party, I should hire a local teacher to teach my friends the Argentine tango...

I hope the music works out so we can hear more Piazzolla on PS?! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:06 pm 
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Thank you, George. That's close, but I'm still hoping to find that exact Tango already transcribed to piano solo. Wish I could just ask Daniel Barenboim if he'd send it to me.

And yesterday when I was driving around town, another Piazzolla tango came on the radio and I sat in my car in the parking lot to listen to the whole piece - you're right about those 5S's - I was rather 'warm' after that! :wink:

Btw - can I please come to your next party? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:50 am 
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Wish I could just ask Daniel Barenboim if he'd send it to me.

Hmmm, I am afraid asking won't help. But, if you make Danny B one of your amazing pizzas, I have a hunch he might give you a copy of the transcription before he finishes the last slice!

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Btw - can I please come to your next party?

Absolutely! The invite also goes to all PS members who have a pulse for Spanish music/dance. I usually have a theme at parties - Oktoberfest, 80's night, wine tasting, Folk Music Night, Italian Night, Cooking Night, or a movie/musical night, etc. Hey, the more I think about it, the better it's beginning to sound: Tango Night! or Tango De La Noche! The entertainment room is accommodating for dancing, especially with the parquet floor and bar. I have a friend likes to hang a crystal ball from the vaulted ceiling! She says it's like 'Dancing With The Stars!' I know an Argentine couple who teach the Argentine tango, as well as other Latin dance at a local education center, and I am sure they'll oblige for an eager group of 20-30...

The closest I ever got to 'Dancing With Any Star' was 2 years ago, on a tour of Spain. I attended a gypsy flamenco show in Sacromonte, in Granada. These are a succession of caves, literally carved into the mountain, where there are different shows in each cave as you walk along the street. What a "5S" night that was as one of the flamenco dancers picked me from the audience to dance with her on the dance floor - that was my 15 minutes of flamenco fame. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:06 pm 
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Btw - can I please come to your next party?

Absolutely! The invite also goes to all PS members who have a pulse for Spanish music/dance. )


Great - just name the date! And can you bring the party to Chicago? I also have one of those hanging crystal balls and also another kind of hanging light that makes colorful stars fly around the room - also have strobe lights and lava lamps (don't ask...) :lol: .

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:54 pm 
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Oh Wow, Tango on Lake Michigan. Struttin' up State Street -- that Great Street. Waltzin' through Wrigleyville. Lambada in the Loop. Sounds great. I'll hop on the "City of New Orleans" from Chambana to Toddle in that town.

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:26 pm 
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That's the spirit, Scott! And since we're planning a party, let's do it in a couple months - Chicago is great in the summertime!!

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:22 am 
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Great, two people have already contracted tango fever in Chicago! With the exception of the polar extremes, I can party just about anywhere. If tango fever catches on in Chicago, just let me know well in advance because I am already booked through June. BTW, I never asked if there are PS members in Boston?...

One of my patients who owns a dance studio thought that a Tango Night would be a great idea and gave me info on a great Latin dance instructor that gives the entire enchilada about the cultural and musical background for each tango or flamenco dance. I've decided to host Tango Night! in mid-May (Boston). I'll make tapas, sangria, margaritas at the bar, and have my photos of Andalusia cycling on the large screen in the background. The room is 25x26 with a 15ft vaulted ceiling, so the acoustics should be fine for a 4/5 piece traditional Argentine band, and there's enough room to spare for those swooshing dance steps without breaking anything - Zoinks! 8)

... Crystal balls, colored stars, strobe lights, and lava lamps, huh?... OMG! Ever thought of opening a lamp store?... OK, OK I won't ask... :)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:39 pm 
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88man wrote:
Great, two people have already contracted tango fever in Chicago! With the exception of the polar extremes, I can party just about anywhere. If tango fever catches on in Chicago, just let me know well in advance because I am already booked through June. BTW, I never asked if there are PS members in Boston?...

Not sure.

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One of my patients who owns a dance studio thought that a Tango Night would be a great idea and gave me info on a great Latin dance instructor that gives the entire enchilada about the cultural and musical background for each tango or flamenco dance. I've decided to host Tango Night! in mid-May (Boston). I'll make tapas, sangria, margaritas at the bar, and have my photos of Andalusia cycling on the large screen in the background. The room is 25x26 with a 15ft vaulted ceiling, so the acoustics should be fine for a 4/5 piece traditional Argentine band, and there's enough room to spare for those swooshing dance steps without breaking anything - Zoinks!


I really have to convince my family that I have to go to Boston in May - need a good reason other than I have to attend a party. Got any ideas?

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... Crystal balls, colored stars, strobe lights, and lava lamps, huh?... OMG! Ever thought of opening a lamp store?... OK, OK I won't ask...

:lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:10 pm 
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I've never been to Boston, but have always wanted to go. Oh, and Tapas too!!

We could also "Tango across America". Tango in Boston in May, Chicago in June, Denver in July, and Seattle in August! Would make a great summer.

Scott

(BTW, how did we get from Piazzolla to Boston. Me thinks someone's GPS is running amok.)

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:34 pm 
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I've been to Boston twice. But I didn't know George then. :( I do love tapas, though. We have a nice Spanish restaurant in town that has great food - it's where I first learned about tapas.

Piazolla...hmmm...well....I dunno.... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:13 pm 
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How did we get from Piazzolla to Boston then onto Chicago? Fortunately, with ease! We are only fulfilling the intentions of the composer in appreciation, and perpetuating his music in celebration, thousands of miles away from Argentina. I am sure Sr. Astor would approve of us being positive missionaries of his music on PS. "Tango Across America?!" Scott is right on! I generally don't like big cities, but Chicago is definitely on my list of places to visit! The closest I got was a connection flight en route to Ohio where I found my current piano.

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I really have to convince my family that I have to go to Boston in May - need a good reason other than I have to attend a party. Got any ideas?
I wouldn't want to be rude, so why not invite the whole family as guests? There are 4 spare bedrooms. Boston has many historical, national, cultural, literary, and musical venues. Where I live, there are also many points of interests relating to the birthplace of the American Revolution. Friends tell me that I am a good guide since I love history. If the weather cooperates, Cape Cod offers a traditional maritime ambiance 2hrs away (pix on FB), and if the boat is ready by May, sailing off of Nantucket is spectacular for up to 6 people...

Hope to see Scott, Monica & Family, and others in Boston!

In all earnest, even if tango aficionados can't make it Tango Night! in May, then I am going to post a thread to see if there is any interest of PS members getting together on a local/regional level. No agendas, no motives, other than the camaraderie forged through the mutual appreciation for classical piano music, just for the sake of music! That should be enough to warrant a venue of its own...

Monica, I am not sure if you've read Astor Piazzolla, A Memoir? It's his memoir compiled in collection of interviews. He produced quite a musical revolution in Argentina going against the grain of the traditional tango. His Nuevo Tango (new style tango) incorporated the new spices of jazz, counterpoint, and dissonance above and beyond the traditional forms. To some degree, Piazzolla's music was the impetus for political changes that took place in Argentina. You won't find a "wine spritzer" nor a "light beer" approach to his music; it contains all the top shelf ingredients as found in "Long Island ice tea" or "Hurricane" mixes. I find his tangos to be more potent and intoxicating than the traditional forms.

His memoir, great reading: http://www.amazon.com/Astor-Piazzolla-A ... 1574670670
A very revealing documentary DVD made by the BBC: http://www.amazon.com/Astor-Piazzolla-P ... pd_sim_b_1
Tangos arranged for piano (I don't have this one, so I can't comment): http://www.amazon.com/Astor-Piazzolla-P ... pd_sim_b_6

One of my favorite recordings of Piazzolla's Tangos is by Pablo Ziegler and his orchestra. If you don't have it, let me know. Pablo Ziegler was the pianist in Piazzolla's second quintet. He is now the torch bearer of the neuvo tango. He is the real deal as the "5S's" are so palpable in this recording... I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel Barenboim got the transcription from Pablo Ziegler... Mmm?... You might want to save that amazing pizza for the family instead, however, can you save me a slice?... :D

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:31 pm 
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88man wrote:
I wouldn't want to be rude, so why not invite the whole family as guests? There are 4 spare bedrooms. Boston has many historical, national, cultural, literary, and musical venues. Where I live, there are also many points of interests relating to the birthplace of the American Revolution. Friends tell me that I am a good guide since I love history. If the weather cooperates, Cape Cod offers a traditional maritime ambiance 2hrs away (pix on FB), and if the boat is ready by May, sailing off of Nantucket is spectacular for up to 6 people...


I too enjoy history and last time I was in Boston we saw many of the historical sites. But I am sure I didn't see 'everything'. So great - me and my husband Billy Bob and our ten youngins will hop in our converted school bus, which is also our home, and drive to Boston. Be a nice change sleeping in a real bedroom! :lol: (sorry, I'm in a weird mood). Seriously George, you are so kind and generous, but I don't really want my whole family to come along. If I am by myself, then I can finally do what I want to do/get my own way...well...most of the time I do, but still... However, I know my husband doesn't like when I jet off somewhere unless it's work-related, so he'll probably want to come with me. But we're not bringing the kids! :wink:

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Hope to see Scott, Monica & Family, and others in Boston!

I hope so too! And the invitation also stands for everyone to come visit me in Chicago.

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. No agendas, no motives, other than the camaraderie forged through the mutual appreciation for classical piano music - For the sake of music! That should be enough to warrant a venue of its own...

I have wanted that for a long time. Even though the economy is improving slightly, I think many people are still tightening their belts and not taking as many vacations. My own family is staying home a lot more these days because we'll have two kids in college next year, and the younger one now needs his own car (that will make 4 cars for us - lots of gas/insurance/etc to pay for!).

Regarding Piazzolla - I really have not studied or read much about him at all. If I ever get time to read again, I'll check out that memoir. And no, I do not know about Pablo Ziegler. But I did just now order that piano music book that you showed above, plus I also ordered another book too - this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/085162 ... _sim_01_01

I think I'm in big trouble because I keep ordering new music and then spend time learning it all, instead of practicing the music I should be practicing for that 'other project' I'm working on (shhhh....). I can't help it, though. It's like a drug - this learning new music. Oh, well...you only live once, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:33 am 
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me and my husband Billy Bob and our ten youngins will hop in our converted school bus, which is also our home, and drive to Boston.
Wasn't there a show about that years ago, except I think they were heading toward the other coast. :)
Monica, you'll have your hands full with 2 collegians. Well, with 4 cars you can open a dealership too now, in addition to the lamp store. :)
I just had a 12hr day of doing surgery, dentistry, etc... So it's my turn to be in a "weird mood." :P
In any case, Mr. and Mrs., and Scott are still cordially invited to Boston. :D

Thanks for the link, I didn't know about the other Piazzolla album. Yup, it's true! "You only live once," but not with the new Health Care Bill. Yes, it's always nice to have extra music since his music is not in the free/public domain.

As for me, I finally learned that Chopin Waltz No. 16 in D-flat to get the fingers going, but I might wait to start recording until I have the piano tuned next month. My piano keeps tune well in most registers, but it's been a year.

You know, I have to confess one thing, with all the cultural, culinary, musical, dance, and travel exposure to Spain, I have yet to learn a Spanish piece on the piano - Zoinks and shame on me! :oops: I am going to try that "I aM SLoP" site and see if I can find some Spanish music there?... Ever since I was a kid, I used to love listening to music while lying down, just before going to sleep, and Asturias (Leyenda) of Albeniz on the guitar was one of my favorites... It might be fun to finally learn it and play it on the piano. Fortunately, not much has changed since childhood in that I still don't have to worry about waking up anybody at night, even if I were to play it on the piano... If I have any questions I'll post it in the "Repertoire" section. Another piece that I could lose my sobriety over is El Fandango de Candil (Goyescas) with its eloquence, panache, and the "5S's." But, I'll break the ice with Asturias first...

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 Post subject: Re: Piazzolla
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:41 am 
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No, wait! I forgot that I did learn some Spanish music by Lecuona in junior high... See what happens when you turn 40?!

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