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 Post subject: more help, please
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:48 pm 
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This is kind of strange. Look at the second measure. How do you accent a tied note? I'm sure pushing down hard of the the already depressed keys will not work. Or maybe I'm supposed to nod my head there to 'look' like an accent? :lol: :lol:

Any ideas?

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 Post subject: Re: more help, please
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:20 pm 
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pianolady wrote:
This is kind of strange. Look at the second measure. How do you accent a tied note? I'm sure pushing down hard of the the already depressed keys will not work. Or maybe I'm supposed to nod my head there to 'look' like an accent? :lol: :lol:

Any ideas?

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Yes, this could be not an accent, but a diminuendo inflection. See the controversial diminuendo/accent notation in Schubert's music. Dunno, just a possible explanation. Written that way you can only mimic the accent, not actually play it. Who's the composer?

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It's Granados.

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Written that way you can only mimic the accent, not actually play it.


Thanks, Alfonso. But I do not understand what "mimic the accent' means.

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pianolady wrote:
It's Granados.


I'd have bet good money on it. :lol:

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Written that way you can only mimic the accent, not actually play it.


Thanks, Alfonso. But I do not understand what "mimic the accent' means.


Sorry, I meant you have to mime the accent.

At any rate, I actually have no clues and hope someone can shed light on that odd sign, I'm just curious now.

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I've played something before (I want to say it was Rachmaninoff) that had a crescendo marked on a sustained chord. As if! :lol:

Maybe Granados wrote that for clavichord?

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alf wrote:
Sorry, I meant you have to mime the accent.


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Ok, I'll try almost anything. :lol: :lol:


Sorry, Alf. I still don't really get this. But I'll let you know if I ever learn the answer.

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I've played something before (I want to say it was Rachmaninoff) that had a crescendo marked on a sustained chord. As if!

That's pretty much the same thing as my accent over a tied note. Who knows...

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pianolady wrote:
alf wrote:
Sorry, I meant you have to mime the accent.


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Ok, I'll try almost anything. :lol: :lol:


Sorry, Alf. I still don't really get this. But I'll let you know if I ever learn the answer.

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I've played something before (I want to say it was Rachmaninoff) that had a crescendo marked on a sustained chord. As if!

That's pretty much the same thing as my accent over a tied note. Who knows...


Beethoven and Schumann also have "unplayable" dynamic indications. For example the cresc. at ms.254 in the first movement of the Les Adieux sonata.

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My version (Schenker) says it's measure 252, but I see that. :D That's a matter of first and second endings...my textbook anthologies all count the measures of first and second endings as the same measures, which is what this version did.

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That Les Adieux one doesn't seem too odd to me. Basically, isn't it just crescendoing from 251 to the end?

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pianolady wrote:
That Les Adieux one doesn't seem too odd to me. Basically, isn't it just crescendoing from 251 to the end?


Yes, a crescendo of two notes, the first of which is the resolution of an appoggiatura... pretty awkward isn't it?

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 Post subject: Re: more help, please
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pianolady wrote:
This is kind of strange. Look at the second measure. How do you accent a tied note? I'm sure pushing down hard of the the already depressed keys will not work. Or maybe I'm supposed to nod my head there to 'look' like an accent? :lol: :lol:

Any ideas?

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I could be wrong but I think the accented notes are played. Perhaps the ties are interpreted as a tenuto?

It could be an engraver's error.


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 Post subject: Re: more help, please
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:26 am 
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PJF wrote:
It could be an engraver's error.


There are tons of errors in the book I'm using, so that makes sense. Thanks, Pete.

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Don't you have a recording of the piece, Monica?

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Terez wrote:
Don't you have a recording of the piece, Monica?


I do now. Just forked over another .99 cents to itunes to hear de Larrocha play this. (been doing this a lot lately!) Anyway, I could hear no accent on this spot in the music, so it must be an error. You wouldn't believe how many errors I have found. Most of them are missing accidentals, but in this piece there is also a place where there are repeat signs but no indication of where to go back to. I like mysteries, but I'm kind of getting tired of trying to figure out how these Granados pieces are supposed to be played!

Thanks for your help, Terez, Alf and Pete. :)

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Say, is there an authoritative edition of Granados's music? An Urtext if you will?


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