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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:52 pm 
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I can see my friends list by going to "my channel" then my friends list at the bottom; I guess it depends how you have your homepage set up, but I certainly don't have any friend activity feed (which was there before, and I liked having it - occasionally I found interesting stuff on it). I tried the new look: the friends list disappeared altogether and I had to retrieve it by going back to the old settings. There doesn't appear to be much in the way of editing options for setting up the channel in the new form.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:02 am 
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Naturally this has the consequence that videos of people performing well-known compositions will be incorrectly flagged as utilising copyrighted recordings


This is going to wreak havoc on ALL the classical music videos.
Some pop-music aficionados didn't do their homework before rolling this out!

Hope they change it soon, you guys.


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andrew wrote:
I can see my friends list by going to "my channel" then my friends list at the bottom; I guess it depends how you have your homepage set up, but I certainly don't have any friend activity feed (which was there before, and I liked having it - occasionally I found interesting stuff on it). I tried the new look: the friends list disappeared altogether and I had to retrieve it by going back to the old settings. There doesn't appear to be much in the way of editing options for setting up the channel in the new form.


I can't see my friends list anywhere on the new format. I tried switching back to the previous format and I can see my list of friends on my channel, but they are still not showing on my homepage (seems the format change on the homepage is permanent and cannot be changed back). I don't see my friends activities anymore, which I liked too. I sent in a report about it; I sure hope it does some good. I'm worn out trying to deal with all these changes that look nice and all that, but are causing problems. Sort of feel like quitting Youtube....

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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:31 am 
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hreichgott wrote:
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Naturally this has the consequence that videos of people performing well-known compositions will be incorrectly flagged as utilising copyrighted recordings


This is going to wreak havoc on ALL the classical music videos.
Some pop-music aficionados didn't do their homework before rolling this out!

Hope they change it soon, you guys.


I think the check that I mentioned is generally only carried out at point of upload, though there's probably other videos flagged randomly from time to time. Their algorithm is certainly pretty imperfect - I have seen a salon waltz by the pianist Sophie Menter flagged as being Mahler!

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I can't see my friends list anywhere on the new format. I tried switching back to the previous format and I can see my list of friends on my channel, but they are still not showing on my homepage (seems the format change on the homepage is permanent and cannot be changed back). I don't see my friends activities anymore, which I liked too. I sent in a report about it; I sure hope it does some good. I'm worn out trying to deal with all these changes that look nice and all that, but are causing problems. Sort of feel like quitting Youtube....


Yes, I can't see any way to view friend activities either. You can get the old(ish) look via http://www.youtube.com/home but apparently showing what videos are "trending" (as if I care..) is more important than friend activities. I notice that you can no longer find individual website(s) on which people have accessed/embedded your videos (via the Insight, now renamed Analytics) feature. Also, it appears that the options to customize your homepage have been grossly reduced. I think it's annoyed a lot of people: the BBC news website even had a story about it in their most read news items section yesterday!


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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:28 pm 
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andrew wrote:
Yes, I can't see any way to view friend activities either. You can get the old(ish) look via http://www.youtube.com/home but apparently showing what videos are "trending" (as if I care..) is more important than friend activities.

Andrew, forgive me if I'm being a pain in the ass, but how did you get that link? When I open up Youtube, I get a different homepage. Even when I 'switch back to previous version', my home page is still the new/changed version. All my subscriptions' activities are shown vertically, not horizontally like in your link (and the way it used to be for me). The old way (like your link) is better because one of my subscriptions has dozens of uploaded videos and they are grouped together in a row. Now on my new homepage they are listed individually and in a column which of course makes the page very long. So annoying!! And yes, either way my friends' activities has vanished.


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I think it's annoyed a lot of people: the BBC news website even had a story about it in their most read news items section yesterday!
Maybe if enough people complain, Youtube will put it all back the way it was.

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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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I had a quick look at the official Youtube video clip explaining the new version. Well, to be accurate, I had a quick look at some of the comments on the video and saw the alternative homepage link posted there.


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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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The statistics (analytics) are better now. At least for me they are.
Guess I am just not going to have 'friends' anymore.... :(

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pianolady wrote:
... Guess I am just not going to have 'friends' anymore.... :(

What are we? Chopped liver? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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musical-md wrote:
pianolady wrote:
... Guess I am just not going to have 'friends' anymore.... :(

What are we? Chopped liver? :wink:


Ohhhhhhh, I mean that my Youtube friends are gone. Not on my 'old' Youtube, but on my 'new' Youtube. Except I have no friends activities at all on my homepage on either version. But actually, a lot of my Youtube friends are not really friends at all - I don't even know them. :oops: So you're right, Eddy, you 'regulars' here on PS are my 'better' friends. :)

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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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Hey Andrew, guess what? It appears I've conquered the copyright issue! :D Just for the heck of it, I went to see if my Mozart video still had that "matched third party content" stuff on it, and lo and behold those words are gone. So I disputed about five more of my videos with the same issue, and immediately those words were no longer there. I'm shocked and amazed, yet a little apprehensive too. Seems too easy, doesn't it? Like something bad is going to happen now....

*keeping my fingers crossed*

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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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Oooh, I'm on a roll... :D...just now figured out how to get my 'friends' to show up on my homepage! :D :D

If only Youtube could get the homepage videos to be listed vertically, instead of horizontally. That's my only gripe now.

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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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It appears I've conquered the copyright issue! :D Just for the heck of it, I went to see if my Mozart video still had that "matched third party content" stuff on it, and lo and behold those words are gone. So I disputed about five more of my videos with the same issue, and immediately those words were no longer there.

Hooray, hope those words stay gone... always nice when a dispute process works properly.


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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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Hi Monica,

At YouTube all my video recordings display vertically. Is that odd or what?

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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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pianolady wrote:
Oooh, I'm on a roll... :D...just now figured out how to get my 'friends' to show up on my homepage! :D :D


Wow, how did you manage that? And did you get the activity feed back?

I'd consider contesting the copyright thing, as it seemed to go fairly smoothly for you, but I have a few historical recordings on my channel which probably do consitute a breach of copyright, so I think I'll leave it as it is.


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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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hreichgott wrote:
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It appears I've conquered the copyright issue! :D Just for the heck of it, I went to see if my Mozart video still had that "matched third party content" stuff on it, and lo and behold those words are gone. So I disputed about five more of my videos with the same issue, and immediately those words were no longer there.

Hooray, hope those words stay gone... always nice when a dispute process works properly.


Yes, but I can't help feeling like it was too easy to do. But so far, as of today, the words are still gone and my videos are still intact. :D
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Hi Monica,

At YouTube all my video recordings display vertically. Is that odd or what?

David


Hi David, I know - it's very impractical. You now have to scroll and scroll and scroll in order to see all your 'people's' activities. I actually deleted one of my subscriptions; it was a news site and they put up several videos every day and so that is all I saw on my home page. It's better now that I've 'unsubscribed' to them. I can always just go to their channel if I want to see if there is anything of interest.

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Oooh, I'm on a roll... :D...just now figured out how to get my 'friends' to show up on my homepage! :D :D


Wow, how did you manage that? And did you get the activity feed back?

I'd consider contesting the copyright thing, as it seemed to go fairly smoothly for you, but I have a few historical recordings on my channel which probably do consitute a breach of copyright, so I think I'll leave it as it is.


They've merged the 'friends' with the 'subscriptions'. You now have to 'subscribe' to your friends - at least the ones you want to see on your homepage activities. You are one of my 'friends' that I subscribed to, Andrew. Do you see that on your homepage - like did you get some kind of message that I subscribed to you? Here is the link that makes it easy to 'subscribe' to your 'friends'.

http://www.youtube.com/subscription_manager/friends

This is how you are able to see your friends/subscriptions activities on your homepage. Your activity on 'your' channel shows up in the 'feed' tab on your personal channel.

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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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pianolady wrote:
They've merged the 'friends' with the 'subscriptions'. You now have to 'subscribe' to your friends - at least the ones you want to see on your homepage activities. You are one of my 'friends' that I subscribed to, Andrew. Do you see that on your homepage - like did you get some kind of message that I subscribed to you? Here is the link that makes it easy to 'subscribe' to your 'friends'.

http://www.youtube.com/subscription_manager/friends

This is how you are able to see your friends/subscriptions activities on your homepage. Your activity on 'your' channel shows up in the 'feed' tab on your personal channel.


Ah, I see, thanks. I did get a notification that you had subscribed.

YouTube wrote:
Friends are now becoming part of subscriptions. Subscribe to your friends to see their activity on your homepage.


I liked the way it was before: sometimes friend activities turned up an interesting video that I wouldn't have thought to look at. I now feel I'll have to go through my friends list (which is pretty large) and work out who I should subscribe to. If I subscribe en masse I think that means I'll end up getting lots of irrelevant email notifications which didn't turn up before, simply as a consequence of maintaining the ability to view all friend activity on the news feed: I've not been especially selective about accepting or declining friend requests other than declining obvious spam. I'd rather keep friends and subscriptions separate: I think they are unrelated entities.


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 Post subject: Re: More Youtube woes....
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I agree with you - I liked it better the other way. I know what you mean that sometimes you discovered an interesting video by being directed to it by a friend. It's back to being like that again, except for the way it is displayed. If a friend favorites or likes more than one video, those videos are listed vertically, instead of horizontally like before.

I have been somewhat judicious in accepting friend request. I only accepted ones that I could see were into classical piano. All the rest just stayed in my inbox and I never replied. I have not 'subscribed' to all my 'friends' with this new system, so I don't have too much showing up on my homepage yet. I want to test things out for a while first...

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I hadn't given this much thought so far, being a casual YT user (listening basically) but just stumbled upon this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcOa11R- ... ture=g-all

and there are many more in the same vein. The outrage is huge. A YT boycot is proposed for next friday.

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Haha, I've got a disputed video too now, it says

Your video, Bach - BWV 653 - An Wasserfl├╝ssen Babylon , may include content that is owned or administered by these entities:
Entity: Music Publishing Rights Collecting Society Content Type: Musical Composition

Now that is a good joke, nothing being more public domain than Bach.
From what I read here end there, this "Society" is rather a fraud. Not sure if it is even worth disputing.

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Well, the videos of mine that I've disputed are still in the clear; they don't show that there is a copyright infringement on them, and also when I am logged off and then view those videos, they do not say 'artist: Mozart', 'artist: Granados', etc anymore. It's very easy to dispute the claims now too. You just click a couple things, and you're done!

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Yes I'd already done the dispute and I no longer see any notice now, so assume it's ok.
All this is utterly ridiculous of course. Seems to be some wonky automated process which no relation to reality. You'd think it was designed only to discourage uploaders. No brownie points for Youtube these days...

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Yes I'd already done the dispute and I no longer see any notice now, so assume it's ok.
All this is utterly ridiculous of course. Seems to be some wonky automated process which no relation to reality.


I suspect it's a token gesture to appease various corporate institutions by arguing that they have something in place to detect copyright abuse. Which is patently ridiculous, of course, there being entire TV programmes, films, etc, etc uploaded and they don't seem to get flagged. I think, shortly after Google took YouTube over, YT got sued by Viacom for copyright abuse; I have no idea what the upshot of that was.


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Yes it's lipservice at best. What puzzles me is that the organizations and their claims are shady. It's not clear to
me what exactly they are claiming.

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It says in YouTube help: "Music Publishing Rights Collecting Society" is not a company, but a generic term for collecting societies, the organisations in various countries which collect royalties. I suppose it is in YT's interests to generate (often specious) claims on videos, as that means they can place ads next to them.


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That's shat I mean... shady. So what they say is "some organization thinks they have some claim on your video".
What a load of bollocks :x

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Does anyone know how to reply to a comment left on your channel? I used to be able to, but not anymore, and I can't find any information on the help site that addresses this issue. What the heck....? :x

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Hi Monica,

In the new format if you're on your Channel page and see a comment left there, take your mouse and move the cursor into the comment verbiage. That will cause a Reply button to appear at the top right corner of the comment box. Clique that and write your response. By the way, you can do the very same thing from the Manage Videos selection as well. I hope this helps.

So, do I like the "improved" look at YouTube? Nope!

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Hi David,
Thank you for trying to help me. But I swear, aliens are attacking not only my computer at times, but now they are sabatoging my Youtube channel; seems I am often trying to figure out/conquer glitches. This inability to reply to comments on my channel is my latest problem, and your instructions unfortunately do not work for me. When I hover over the verbiage on a comment, all I get is the option to "report spam" or "remove" the comment. I think it has something to do with the same problem I have in my message Inbox. Argh! I may just quit this Youtube stuff... :x

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