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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:39 am 
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Mozart: Variations K.455 (Theme and Var. I)


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Mozart: Variations K.455 (Theme and Var. I)

Yep. I love this set.

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Dang, y'all are good. I don't recognize any of these pieces, so for me this round is just like the "Guess the Composer" game I used to play with my dad when something unfamiliar was on the radio. What era must it be from? Whose style does it sound like? What's the general shape of the piece? School's going to be crazy for the next few weeks but hopefully I'll have some time to think harder about these. Regardless, well done. And I really like the personal touch (literally) here. I suspect I couldn't have played most of the pieces I selected!

The International Rachmaninoff Conference is going on right now here in New York, and ends tonight with a concert. Jung Lin and Adam Golka will be playing Medtner there. Guess where I'll be. :-) Also, I'm analyzing the Op. 26 #3 Skazka for my theory class this afternoon. If I do a writeup, perhaps Piano Society would be interested to publish it?


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ok, I racked my brain :lol: and remembered it's No. 2 Gavotte.

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pianolady wrote:
ok, I racked my brain :lol: and remembered it's No. 2 Gavotte.

Bingo !

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Round !
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Schumann: Novellette op.21 nr.8 (Trio II)

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Bach: Toccata BWV 916 (Adagio)

Smart choices, Chris. Both works usually neglected in favour of some of their sisters (the first two Novelletten and the D major and C minor Toccatas). And both I should have recognised almost immediately (Ciani and Sokolov my references for Schumann, Gould and again Gould for Bach). :-)


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1 - Grieg, Ballade in G minor op.24
9 - Chopin, Ecossaise op.72 no 3


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Well done, two points for coccobill and Kschyschtoff each !
I did wonder whether the Ecossaise was too trivial with all the Chopin experts here, but I am delighted that some did not recognize it :D

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Round !
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Liszt, Unstern: Sinistre, Disastro


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Darnit you beat me to it!

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I'm sitting here with my feet up, drinking wine, and listening to your nice playing, but I'm hearing everybody, now. Shosti, Franck, Ravel, Granados, Liadov etc...can't pin anything down, so I'm quitting. Good luck to everybody else!

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can't pin anything down, so I'm quitting.


That's what I said regarding my research paper! I handed it in without even finishing it, I ended in mid-sentence. Who cares, I have only 10 class days left before my 3rd year of college is completed. 8)

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coccobill wrote:
R1_0015 : Liszt, Unstern: Sinistre, Disastro

Indeed so. You are firmly in the lead :

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coccobill 6
pianolady 2
Kschyschtoff 2

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I'm sitting here with my feet up, drinking wine, and listening to your nice playing, but I'm hearing everybody, now. Shosti, Franck, Ravel, Granados, Liadov etc...can't pin anything down, so I'm quitting. Good luck to everybody else!


I too hear some Shostakovich (track 16, at the beginning, and the transposition at 47'' is very much Shostakovich), but cannot find out what it is.

Track 11 must be something in (pseudo)classic style, maybe Mendelssohn?

Anyway, one more finding: track 19 is "Bransle de Champagne" from Poulenc's Suite Française.

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I too hear some Shostakovich (track 16, at the beginning, and the transposition at 47'' is very much Shostakovich), but cannot find out what it is.


Just listening again to it, and no, except for those very moments, definitely it is not Shostakovich.


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coccobill wrote:
Anyway, one more finding: track 19 is "Bransle de Champagne" from Poulenc's Suite Française.

Yes it is ! A most lovely suite from a very great piano composer. Keep going !

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Keep going !


Your compilation is driving me crazy.
Yet, I've got one more answer: Track 7 is from Fantasia Baetica by de Falla.


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coccobill wrote:
Your compilation is driving me crazy.
Yet, I've got one more answer: Track 7 is from Fantasia Baetica by de Falla.

One more brownie point. Coccobill for president ! :lol:
Sorry it drives you nuts.... too early for hints I guess ?

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Sorry it drives you nuts....


It's not that bad, one has to move focus to a composer's style, which is a good exercise. I smell some Ginastera and Satie (could be?), but currently cannot nail anything else. I am afraid I have run out of munitions. :?


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11: Reger? This is obviously Bach-inspired. If not Reger, then Busoni.


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I know I quit, but I think I've found one: #3 = Bartok - from Microcosmos Vol. V: 132, major seconds

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I know I quit, but I think I've found one: #3 = Bartok - from Microcosmos Vol. V: 132, major seconds

So you have un-quit ! Right, one more for you there. But coccobill is way ahead !

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11: Reger? This is obviously Bach-inspired. If not Reger, then Busoni.

Classically inspired, yes. But otherwise you are wayyy off :D

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When will Magician Breemer reveal his magic tricks? :wink:

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techneut wrote:
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11: Reger? This is obviously Bach-inspired. If not Reger, then Busoni.

Classically inspired, yes. But otherwise you are wayyy off :D


Cool, I have zero idea what is going on! You'll have to leave this up for a bit when the contest ends, too.


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But coccobill is way ahead !


Coccobill is stuck! So, he thinks he'll wait for the rien ne va plus. :wink:


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Looks like this round is more difficult than I had thought :D
Seeing as everybody is stuck, perhaps I should drop a hint.
The 7 composers still to be identified (remember they're all different), are, in no particular order:

- The greatest Czech composer
- The greatest Brazilian composer
- The two greatest Russian composers
- The greatest French composer
- Plus two other illustrious and fairly well-known Frenchmen

Piece of cake now, right ?

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My guesses (In no particular order)

- The greatest Czech composer

Smetana

- The greatest Brazilian composer

Moupou (spelling?)

- The two greatest Russian composers

Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky

- The greatest French composer

Satie :wink:

- Plus two other illustrious and fairly well-known Frenchmen

Ravel and Debussy



But I should receive no credit because I have not guessed the piece name[/b]

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Thanks for the tip. The greatest Brazillian composer is Villa-Lobos (as I recently learned) #16 is Villa Lobos is Shoo Shoo Little Bird from Cirandas.

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The greatest Czech composer could also be Dvorak. :roll: but I think Smetana is better. :wink:

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- Plus two other illustrious and fairly well-known Frenchmen


One of whom is Gabriel Fauré, since track nr.2 is his first prelude from opus 103. :)


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- The two greatest Russian composers


Track 10 is Fragments by Rachmaninoff.

I wonder who is the other "greatest"... As I see it, there are almost 4-5 "greatest" Russian composers. :)


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But I should receive no credit because I have not guessed the piece name

Indeed not. Actually all of the composers are wrong except the two Russians. Mompou was Catalan, not Brazilian !

Right, one more point for pianolady and two more for coccobill. We can already that coccobill wins this round ! Shall I divulge the remaining 4 tracks or do you people want to puzzle further ?

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Shall I divulge the remaining 4 tracks or do you people want to puzzle further ?



...please the suspense is killing me :lol:

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...please the suspense is killing me :lol:


OK, I too give in!


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Alrighty then...

5: Tchaikovsky: Funeral March, No.4 from 6 Pieces on one Theme Op.21
11: Saint-Saens: Bagatelle Op.3 No.1
14: Dvorak: Mazurka Op.56 No.4
17: Debussy: Berceuse Heroique

I am not surprised nobody recognized the Debussy piece, though I'd expected someone to guess the composer.

Well that was fun, thanks for playing. Coccobill gets the stage now ! I'm sure he'll come up with an intrigueing selection.

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Shorter, but better-known clips would be great! More people could guess then.

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Boy, those were hard. Ok, maybe not for cocobill, which worries me because he can probably make the next round equally hard. (hope not)

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Chaotica wrote:
Shorter, but better-known clips would be great! More people could guess then.

I thought about something like that. Was afraid it would be too easy.....
Indeed, the better known, the shorther the clips could be. And vice versa - I thought schmontz's clips were way too short to even form an idea of who the composer was.

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Boy, those were hard. Ok, maybe not for cocobill, which worries me because he can probably make the next round equally hard. (hope not)


:roll: mois? :roll:

I don't know exactly what kind of quiz I'll make. Please, leave me a couple of days to think of it and get something ready. As an anticipation, I prefer brain teaser to trivia games, for that matter.


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I think that you should mix it up!

-A few shorter and more, well-known clips.
-Four or five 30-40sec clips of easily researchable pieces.
-Maybe two or three "hard" clips of about 1 minute in length...but worth double the points 8)


Because if you guys continously select "hard' clips then it will not be much of a game, more like a redunant oligopoly.

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coccobill wrote:

I don't know exactly what kind of quiz I'll make. Please, leave me a couple of days to think of it and get something ready. As an anticipation, I prefer brain teaser to trivia games, for that matter.


Brain teasers should be fun, (unless you tease my brain too much, which isn't hard to do (I can say that, not you guys :lol: ). Maybe picture type clues too, or something like a scavenger hunt on the internet that's related to classical music. But it's your game so we will wait with bated breath.

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Here we go, a new piano cornucopia is ready for you, piano friends. The quiz is divided in 3 parts, as follows.

A. Name the piece.
15 short clips extracted from well-known works of major composers. It's mainstream repertoire, so you cannot go wrong! In a few cases, I took the liberty to point to not thematic passages inside a piece, adding a bit of pepper to the discovery process.

You'll score 1 point for each correct guess.
You'll lose 2 points for each wrong guess... kidding!

B. Match the composer.
15 longer clips from not much played or just unattended works by famous and less famous composers. Since all should have a chance to play (and win), I'll provide a list of composers from which you can pick the right name up for the right clip. Some funny distractors will desperately try to divert your attention from the correct answers. Don't be deceived!

You'll get 1 point for each correct match (you don't need to name the work - just the composer).

Here's the composers' list (in alphabetical order):
Chabrier, Clementi, d'Indy, Debussy, Dussek, Gershwin, Glazunov, Godowsky, Gottschalk, Grieg, Hindemith, Hummel, Lyapunov, Mendelssohn, Milhaud, Moscheles, Moszkowski, Nielsen, Poulenc, Reger, Rejcha, Rossini, Rzewski, Satie, Scarlatti D., Sibelius, Smetana, Strauss R., Sweelinck, Szymanowski.

C. The ultimate quiz!
I love this one. Only for true geeks.
A conductor's rehearsing a piano concerto. He invites the horns to repeat a short difficult passage. The rehearsal was recorded in the 60's and both the conductor and the piano concerto are unmistakably icons for music lovers.

1. Find out which piano concerto is that (1 point);
2. Identify the conductor (1 point);
3. Detect the inconsistency of that passage (3 points).

Hint #1: that horns passage originates motivically from a main theme.
Hint #2: the name of the conductor could shed light on the kind of inconsistency.

So, have fun, a happy weekend everyone, and may the best win!


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Here are the clips of Part B.


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Last, the "ultimate quiz" clip.


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I'll pass on the A series as I cannot place the No.5.
As for the B series I recognized the following

1 - Debussy - Etude No.9 (Pour les notes repetees)
4 - Sibelius - Romanza Op.24 No.9
11 - Szymanowski - Variations on a Polish Theme Op.11, Var. 8: Marcia Funebre
12 - Nielsen - Chaconne Op.34
13 - Lyapounov - Etudes Transcendentes Op.11, No. 10: Lesghinka
14 - Godowsky - Java Suite: The gardens of Buitenzorg
15 - Gershwin - 3 Preludes: No.3

That's it for me, no time to do research on he rest. Great quiz, BTW !

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As for the B series I recognized the following

1 - Debussy - Etude No.9 (Pour les notes repetees)
4 - Sibelius - Romanza Op.24 No.9
11 - Szymanowski - Variations on a Polish Theme Op.11, Var. 8: Marcia Funebre
12 - Nielsen - Chaconne Op.34
13 - Lyapounov - Etudes Transcendentes Op.11, No. 10: Lesghinka
14 - Godowsky - Java Suite: The gardens of Buitenzorg
15 - Gershwin - 3 Preludes: No.3


Well done! 7 points for Chris.
The Szymanowski and the Nielsen are especially two pieces of fine art.


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....I gave up already. Let me know when you include Fuer Elise. :roll:

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The Szymanowski and the Nielsen are especially two pieces of fine art.

Yep, agree. I am scared to even try and start the Szymanowsky variations but plan to record the Chaconne one day. An absolutely amazing piece ! But the one I love most of these is the Godowsky item. I am madly in love with the Java suite and am currently working on recording some items, including this one.

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....I gave up already. Let me know when you include Fuer Elise.


I'm really sorry you feel the quiz is too difficult. Even if you don't recognize any of the clips, you can always try to identify the composers. The list I provided should give you some clues.


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