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None of these is right. But but but! 4 and 10 are in the neighborhood, 20 and 26 are indeed by behind-the-times Romantic-idiom composers (as is 13), and 25 is indeed by a Russian.

21 has already been claimed (it's Medtner -- as close to Rachmaninov's style as he ever got).


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Oh, sorry. I give up. :(

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Well, your guesses were very good. If and when you have more, you can un-give up at any time. :-)


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Well, this is an education! I really like this music, and I know not a single one (cut me some slack, I'm only 27!) :lol:

Anyhoo, what's the score now?

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I'm only 28! When I stopped playing, I became a hard-core listener. It's a tradeoff: you can play Chopin etudes, and I can come up with piano quiz questions. (Massive understatement: I'm glad to be playing again. :-))

Current scores:
techneut: 9 (plus a handful of correct composers, which could conceivably break a tie)
Kschyschtoff: 1

What do you think, should I keep dropping hints for another couple days and then reveal the remaining answers?


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Maybe you can do the 'big reveal' on Friday? Give someone who may be currently pulling out all their albums a chance to get a few more.

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#13 is so familiar -- like I swear I've taught in the past but at a slower tempo. Is it something you learned as a student around 4th year of childhood studies, Schmonz? I've forwarded the clip to a colleague here to see if she recognizes it as something possibly from the Royal Conservatory syllabus.

#14 I love, but have NO IDEA where it comes from. It conjures up images of Fred Flintstone in his leotard, tippy-toeing gracefully at ballet lessons. Do the Europeans know who Fred Flintstone is? Macho cartoon character from around the 1960s who was told in one episode that some ballet lessons would improve his bowling skills.


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Heh, now that you mention it, I see what you mean. A light piece by a usually very serious composer, though there are some clues to his identity in the figuration and harmony.

I'm not sure whether I'd be surprised if #13 is on any syllabi anywhere. On the one hand, it sure sounds like the sort of thing that could be. On the other hand, the composer is not well known. (On the third hand, sometimes it's those guys who wind up being used for didactic purposes.)


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Thanks, Schmonz. Those are good clues. Am going to take a break from taking bikini pics of self at the piano and look through my teaching books again this afternoon. No students this week, as it is Easter Break here in Canada, and maybe in USA too, so should have time to figure this out.


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#13 is so familiar -- like I swear I've taught in the past but at a slower tempo. Is it something you learned as a student around 4th year of childhood studies, Schmonz? I've forwarded the clip to a colleague here to see if she recognizes it as something possibly from the Royal Conservatory syllabus.

Doesn't it sound familiar indeed.... I have never heard any music by Billy Mayerl but somehow I think this is how it might sound.

BTW I believe #12 to be Medtner's 2nd Piano Concerto.

And #25 is Medtner's Ein Idyll, from 3 Arabesken Op.7. Hadn't played this for ages that is why I could not place it immediately. Phew, just in time before Arensky got that one :lol:

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+2 to Chris (I happen to know that you meant #27 instead of #25). Nicely done!

+1 to Nicole (unofficial) for titillating commentary!

Reminder: Chris was right when he said that #19 must be Kapustin.

Clue: there is more Alkan yet to be identified.

Clue: it so happens that the composer of every piece whose number is evenly divisible by 3 is Medtner.


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schmonz wrote:
I'm only 28! When I stopped playing, I became a hard-core listener. It's a tradeoff: you can play Chopin etudes, and I can come up with piano quiz questions. (Massive understatement: I'm glad to be playing again. :-))


What do you think, should I keep dropping hints for another couple days and then reveal the remaining answers?


I've been meaning to do more listening (and I'm glad to hear of your increase in playing)...thank God we've got plenty of time, being only 28 and 27! :lol:

Drop hints at your discretion but don't give the answers too soon. If the scores are really close, wait longer and if there's a decisive winner, less. Three to seven days between the last correct response and the revealing of answers, maybe? I don't know; it's entirely up to you.

Chris is close!

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schmonz wrote:
+2 to Chris (I happen to know that you meant #27 instead of #25). Nicely done!

Oops yes of course. I have a way with numbers.
+1 to Nicole (unofficial) for titillating commentary!

schmonz wrote:
Clue: there is more Alkan yet to be identified.

That surely must be the one I thought was Schumann or Mendelssohn. It could be one of his Esquisses, but I thought I knew all of these and yet did not recognize this piece. Must check tonight.

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Clue: it so happens that the composer of every piece whose number is evenly divisible by 3 is Medtner.

Hm, I did not flag 3 and 18 as Medtner. Gotta listen again tonight and dig out my Medtner books. We should rename this "The Medtner Quiz" :lol:

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I've identified #6, it's Medtner's - Sonate Orageuse Op. 53 No.2. Can't identify the other Medtners (3 and 18) nor any other Alkan (I think it might be 22 but no idea what). So this is it for me.

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Right on the nose! It's the furious climax of this furious sonata (which I know as "Minacciosa", though I've heard the French also), whose very modern sound shows that even the monk-like Medtner was not impervious to the sounds his contemporaries were making. Of course, in his inimitable style, he then goes and pairs it with the deliberately provocatively titled "Sonata Romantica." Off the top of my head, a few other cases where outside cultural influences found their way into Medtner's music: the Op. 26 #3 Skazka has some jazz-inspired chord progressions (though they're not written at all jazzily), and Op. 38 #2 and Op. 54 #6 are ragtime in everything but name. Doubtless there are other examples. Someday I'll do a full writeup. :-)

Let's summarize what we know about the remaining pieces, and throw in a few hints:

1 is by a European fellow who shared some aesthetic sympathies with Medtner (I believe they met, or at least corresponded by letter), though this guy wrote rather more floridly. Extremely colorful and detailed figurations.
3 is Medtner. But which piece?
4 is by an American fellow. Don't know too much about him but it's not surprising that this piece is from the 1920s.
8 is Alkan. Which?
10 is by an Australian who later became a music educator in New York.
13 is by a Russian contemporary of Medtner's who similarly had a rough go of things due to politics and a so-called outdated Romantic idiom. This guy is not in the same league but wrote charming works which deserve to be heard. I've seen his name mentioned on the forum before.
14 is by a gent who wrote intricate polyphonic music, both original and derivative works. Some of the latter have been criticized as disrespectful to the originals, but are increasingly appreciated by connoisseurs.
18 is Medtner (from an opus mentioned in this post). Which?
19 is Kapustin. Which?
20 is by an American who later became a music educator in New York.
22 is indeed Alkan. Which?
23 is by a Russian fellow esteemed for his otherworldly playing of Scriabin and Bach and loved for his teaching.
25 is by a rare Russian fellow who liked Wagner.
26 is by an Eastern European admirer of Brahms. His grandson is a highly regarded conductor.


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#25 Lyapunov?

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3 is Medtner. But which piece?


Lyrisch Fragment op.23 nr.2

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8 is Alkan. Which?


Prelude op.31 nr.14

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10 is by an Australian who later became a music educator in New York.


Grainger: cakewalk Smasher (from Cook's "In Dahomay")

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14 is by a gent who wrote intricate polyphonic music, both original and derivative works. Some of the latter have been criticized as disrespectful to the originals, but are increasingly appreciated by connoisseurs.


Godowsky: Spieldose (from Triakontameron)

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19 is Kapustin. Which?


Bagatella op.59 nr.9

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22 is indeed Alkan. Which?


Nocturne op.22

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26 is by an Eastern European admirer of Brahms. His grandson is a highly regarded conductor.


Dohnanyi: Piano Concerto op.5

Too sleepy to keep up searching.
Going to bed now, goodnight to this side of Piano Society and good morning to the other one.

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Btw, thank you for digging up this stuff. How much good music around covered with dust!


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coccobill gets 3, 10, 14, 19, 22. Extremely close on 8 as well. Maybe we have different numberings or something. 26 is indeed a Dohnányi concerto but not the fifth (I don't think he wrote that many).

That's 5 (very nearly 6). Well done!


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I give up. This is getting MUCH too difficult and specialistic. Bit of a private joke between you and me because of all the Medtner.

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Extremely close on 8 as well. Maybe we have different numberings or something.


That's weird! Isn't that "Le Temps qui n'est plus" from the 25 Preludes op.31? On my score it gets number 14. :?

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26 is indeed a Dohnányi concerto but not the fifth (I don't think he wrote that many).


It's not the fifth, it is the first, in e minor (opus 5, as I wrote). :)

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I give up. This is getting MUCH too difficult and specialistic. Bit of a private joke between you and me because of all the Medtner.


I agree about the over-specificity of the questions. Whoever wins the round could add variety. There's no harm in mixing up the questions a bit. Think "Jeopardy".

I'm glad I was introduced to this 'Medtner'; his style is highly original.

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#25 Lyapunov?


Good guess, no cigar.


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Isn't that "Le Temps qui n'est plus" from the 25 Preludes op.31? On my score it gets number 14. :?


That's the one. My Jack Gibbons recording says #12 but you may well be right. And I misread your Dohnányi answer. +2, then, bringing you to 7. techneut's lead is in danger!


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I give up. This is getting MUCH too difficult and specialistic. Bit of a private joke between you and me because of all the Medtner.


Oh, I dunno. Someone else recognized him too. I agree with Pete that whoever does the next batch can and should take a different tack, and it was precisely due to that assumption that I chose the kind of stuff I did. For some people my choices, which are fairly representative of my quotidian musical diet, will be obscure and difficult; I recognize that. The next person's choices may be obscure and difficult for me. I certainly hope so. :-) In the long run, we'll all widen our listening horizons. And that's why we're playing this game, right?


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Still can't figure it out


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techneut wrote:
I give up. This is getting MUCH too difficult and specialistic. Bit of a private joke between you and me because of all the Medtner.


Oh, I dunno. Someone else recognized him too. I agree with Pete that whoever does the next batch can and should take a different tack, and it was precisely due to that assumption that I chose the kind of stuff I did. For some people my choices, which are fairly representative of my quotidian musical diet, will be obscure and difficult; I recognize that. The next person's choices may be obscure and difficult for me. I certainly hope so. :-) In the long run, we'll all widen our listening horizons. And that's why we're playing this game, right?


Expanding horizons is good, yes.

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+2, then, bringing you to 7. techneut's lead is in danger!


I don't think so, in fact this is actually the best I can do (and with plenty of help). Chris is going to win this round. :cry:


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Can we start a new game now?

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Can we start a new game now?


I agree. These were impossible, and biased to a few composers. A better game would be more familiar pieces (but not obvious like Chopin's preludes or Beethoven's Sonatas), and samples taken from a broader pool of composers.

I think that the game of Jeopardy is easier than this.

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The unidentified pieces are:

01 Marx: Romantic Piano Concerto (3rd mvt)
04 Confrey: Kitten on the Keys
13 Bortkiewicz: The Princess and the Pea
18 Medtner: Hymn (from Romantic Sketches for the Young, Op. 54)
20 MacDowell D minor Concerto (1st mvt)
23 Feinberg: Berceuse Op. 19a
25 Catoire: Prelude Op. 34 #3

Impressive work, Piano Societans! Thanks for playing. The winner of this round, and the arbiter of the next, is techneut.


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Go Chris, Go Chris! It's ya birthday!

Awwwwwww Yeahhhhhh!

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schmonz wrote:
The unidentified pieces are:

01 Marx: Romantic Piano Concerto (3rd mvt)
04 Confrey: Kitten on the Keys
13 Bortkiewicz: The Princess and the Pea
18 Medtner: Hymn (from Romantic Sketches for the Young, Op. 54)
20 MacDowell D minor Concerto (1st mvt)
23 Feinberg: Berceuse Op. 19a
25 Catoire: Prelude Op. 34 #3

Impressive work, Piano Societans! Thanks for playing. The winner of this round, and the arbiter of the next, is techneut.


Sheesh, Schmonz. I never heard of half of these composers. You are very smart, or I am very stupid. (Please don't answer that last remark. :oops: )

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Knowing obscure composers is hardly a mark of intellectual distinction. It could just mean I spend way too much time digging up buried treasure and you've got better things to do. :-) Plus, now you know them too.


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Good point! But musical knowledge is a big 'turn-on' to nerds like me. :lol:

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I thought this a good time to insert something completely random.

I laugh myself stupid every time I see this. :P

http://youtube.com/watch_fullscreen?vid ... Commercial


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Pete, what the hell was that? :)

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This does it for me (I've watched it several dozen times). Warning: colorful language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mw49mk_x0


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Whoa! That sounds like one of my relatives talking (through marriage :wink: )
This is fun. It's like the saying, "When the cat's away (the bosses are sleeping right now) the mice will play. :lol:

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pianolady wrote:
Pete, what the hell was that? :)


Why, it was berries and cream! :lol:

It's a Starburst candy commercial. I laugh to the point of choking every time I see it. It just strikes me as hysterically funny.

Chris, put us back on-topic!!!


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schmonz wrote:
This does it for me (I've watched it several dozen times). Warning: colorful language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mw49mk_x0


What the dollar sign/asterisk/percent sign/ampersand was that?


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Ah, Catoire and Bortkiewicz... I thought these might feature in your list !
Can you leave these around for a while schmontz, I'd like to listen again
to the unidentified items.

On to the next round then. This should be more of an equal opportunity affair.
I have largely restricted to lesser-known works of very well-known composers,
and the fragments are rather longer than before. I believe there's something
here for everyone, but there may be also one or two tough notes to crack.

As I do not have an extensive CD or MP3 collection I had to play all tracks
myself. Had great fun yesterday slapping these on without any preparation, so
no comments please about the wonky playing and the couple of clumsy edits !
Consider them an added level of difficulty :)

All 20 composers are different, none of them featured in the previous round,
from which it follows that none of them is Medtner :)

R1_0001 - Grieg: Ballade in G minor op.24 [spotted by Kschyschtoff]
R1_0002 - Faure: Prelude Op.103 No.1 [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0003 - Bartok - from Microcosmos Vol. V: 132, major seconds [spotted by pianolady]
R1_0004 -Schumann: Novellette op.21 nr.8 (Trio II) [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0005
R1_0006 - Bach: Toccata BWV 916 (Adagio) [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0007 - Falla: Fantasia Baetica [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0008 - Beethoven: Bagatella op.119 nr. 1 [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0009 - Chopin: Ecossaise nr.1, op.72 no 3 [spotted by Kschyschtoff]
R1_0010 - Rachmaninov - Fragments [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0011
R1_0012 - Brahms: Haendel-Variations (Var. XI) [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0013 - Albeniz: El Albaicin, No. 6 from Iberia [spotted by pianolady]
R1_0014
R1_0015 - Liszt: Unstern ! [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0016 - Villa-Lobos - Xo, Xo, Passarinho, No.7 from "Cirandas" [spotted by pianolady]
R1_0017
R1_0018 - Mozart: Variations on "Unser dummer Pöbel meint", K.455 (Theme and Var. I) [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0019 - Poulenc: Suite Française, 5: Bransle de Champagne [spotted by coccobill]
R1_0020 - Prokofiev: Gavotte, No. 2 from 10 Pieces Op.12 [spotted by pianolady]


Score
coccobill 10
pianolady 4
Kschyschtoff 2

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After quickly skimming the tracks:

08. Beethoven: Bagatella op.119 nr. 1
12. Brahms: Haendel-Variations (Var. XI)

If memory serves correctly, never heard the other ones. I think I spotted a couple of composers, perhpas more. Now I'll go and hunt them down. ;-)

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A good start coccobill. You have been credited. I am glad it was not too trivial. Still things to discover even with the famous composers !

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So far - #13 - Albeniz Iberia - El Albaicia
#20 - Prokofiev - March Op 12 no.1

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pianolady wrote:
So far - #13 - Albeniz Iberia - El Albaicia

El Albaicin, indeed.

pianolady wrote:
#20 - Prokofiev - March Op 12 no.1

Not so ! But, you could not possibly be closer :wink:

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Mozart: Variations K.455 (Theme and Var. I)


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coccobill wrote:
Mozart: Variations K.455 (Theme and Var. I)

Yep. I love this set.

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Dang, y'all are good. I don't recognize any of these pieces, so for me this round is just like the "Guess the Composer" game I used to play with my dad when something unfamiliar was on the radio. What era must it be from? Whose style does it sound like? What's the general shape of the piece? School's going to be crazy for the next few weeks but hopefully I'll have some time to think harder about these. Regardless, well done. And I really like the personal touch (literally) here. I suspect I couldn't have played most of the pieces I selected!

The International Rachmaninoff Conference is going on right now here in New York, and ends tonight with a concert. Jung Lin and Adam Golka will be playing Medtner there. Guess where I'll be. :-) Also, I'm analyzing the Op. 26 #3 Skazka for my theory class this afternoon. If I do a writeup, perhaps Piano Society would be interested to publish it?


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ok, I racked my brain :lol: and remembered it's No. 2 Gavotte.

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pianolady wrote:
ok, I racked my brain :lol: and remembered it's No. 2 Gavotte.

Bingo !

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