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- Plus two other illustrious and fairly well-known Frenchmen


One of whom is Gabriel Fauré, since track nr.2 is his first prelude from opus 103. :)


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- The two greatest Russian composers


Track 10 is Fragments by Rachmaninoff.

I wonder who is the other "greatest"... As I see it, there are almost 4-5 "greatest" Russian composers. :)


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But I should receive no credit because I have not guessed the piece name

Indeed not. Actually all of the composers are wrong except the two Russians. Mompou was Catalan, not Brazilian !

Right, one more point for pianolady and two more for coccobill. We can already that coccobill wins this round ! Shall I divulge the remaining 4 tracks or do you people want to puzzle further ?

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Shall I divulge the remaining 4 tracks or do you people want to puzzle further ?



...please the suspense is killing me :lol:

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...please the suspense is killing me :lol:


OK, I too give in!


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Alrighty then...

5: Tchaikovsky: Funeral March, No.4 from 6 Pieces on one Theme Op.21
11: Saint-Saens: Bagatelle Op.3 No.1
14: Dvorak: Mazurka Op.56 No.4
17: Debussy: Berceuse Heroique

I am not surprised nobody recognized the Debussy piece, though I'd expected someone to guess the composer.

Well that was fun, thanks for playing. Coccobill gets the stage now ! I'm sure he'll come up with an intrigueing selection.

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Shorter, but better-known clips would be great! More people could guess then.

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Boy, those were hard. Ok, maybe not for cocobill, which worries me because he can probably make the next round equally hard. (hope not)

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Chaotica wrote:
Shorter, but better-known clips would be great! More people could guess then.

I thought about something like that. Was afraid it would be too easy.....
Indeed, the better known, the shorther the clips could be. And vice versa - I thought schmontz's clips were way too short to even form an idea of who the composer was.

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Boy, those were hard. Ok, maybe not for cocobill, which worries me because he can probably make the next round equally hard. (hope not)


:roll: mois? :roll:

I don't know exactly what kind of quiz I'll make. Please, leave me a couple of days to think of it and get something ready. As an anticipation, I prefer brain teaser to trivia games, for that matter.


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I think that you should mix it up!

-A few shorter and more, well-known clips.
-Four or five 30-40sec clips of easily researchable pieces.
-Maybe two or three "hard" clips of about 1 minute in length...but worth double the points 8)


Because if you guys continously select "hard' clips then it will not be much of a game, more like a redunant oligopoly.

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coccobill wrote:

I don't know exactly what kind of quiz I'll make. Please, leave me a couple of days to think of it and get something ready. As an anticipation, I prefer brain teaser to trivia games, for that matter.


Brain teasers should be fun, (unless you tease my brain too much, which isn't hard to do (I can say that, not you guys :lol: ). Maybe picture type clues too, or something like a scavenger hunt on the internet that's related to classical music. But it's your game so we will wait with bated breath.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:16 am 
Here we go, a new piano cornucopia is ready for you, piano friends. The quiz is divided in 3 parts, as follows.

A. Name the piece.
15 short clips extracted from well-known works of major composers. It's mainstream repertoire, so you cannot go wrong! In a few cases, I took the liberty to point to not thematic passages inside a piece, adding a bit of pepper to the discovery process.

You'll score 1 point for each correct guess.
You'll lose 2 points for each wrong guess... kidding!

B. Match the composer.
15 longer clips from not much played or just unattended works by famous and less famous composers. Since all should have a chance to play (and win), I'll provide a list of composers from which you can pick the right name up for the right clip. Some funny distractors will desperately try to divert your attention from the correct answers. Don't be deceived!

You'll get 1 point for each correct match (you don't need to name the work - just the composer).

Here's the composers' list (in alphabetical order):
Chabrier, Clementi, d'Indy, Debussy, Dussek, Gershwin, Glazunov, Godowsky, Gottschalk, Grieg, Hindemith, Hummel, Lyapunov, Mendelssohn, Milhaud, Moscheles, Moszkowski, Nielsen, Poulenc, Reger, Rejcha, Rossini, Rzewski, Satie, Scarlatti D., Sibelius, Smetana, Strauss R., Sweelinck, Szymanowski.

C. The ultimate quiz!
I love this one. Only for true geeks.
A conductor's rehearsing a piano concerto. He invites the horns to repeat a short difficult passage. The rehearsal was recorded in the 60's and both the conductor and the piano concerto are unmistakably icons for music lovers.

1. Find out which piano concerto is that (1 point);
2. Identify the conductor (1 point);
3. Detect the inconsistency of that passage (3 points).

Hint #1: that horns passage originates motivically from a main theme.
Hint #2: the name of the conductor could shed light on the kind of inconsistency.

So, have fun, a happy weekend everyone, and may the best win!


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Here are the clips of Part B.


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Last, the "ultimate quiz" clip.


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I'll pass on the A series as I cannot place the No.5.
As for the B series I recognized the following

1 - Debussy - Etude No.9 (Pour les notes repetees)
4 - Sibelius - Romanza Op.24 No.9
11 - Szymanowski - Variations on a Polish Theme Op.11, Var. 8: Marcia Funebre
12 - Nielsen - Chaconne Op.34
13 - Lyapounov - Etudes Transcendentes Op.11, No. 10: Lesghinka
14 - Godowsky - Java Suite: The gardens of Buitenzorg
15 - Gershwin - 3 Preludes: No.3

That's it for me, no time to do research on he rest. Great quiz, BTW !

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As for the B series I recognized the following

1 - Debussy - Etude No.9 (Pour les notes repetees)
4 - Sibelius - Romanza Op.24 No.9
11 - Szymanowski - Variations on a Polish Theme Op.11, Var. 8: Marcia Funebre
12 - Nielsen - Chaconne Op.34
13 - Lyapounov - Etudes Transcendentes Op.11, No. 10: Lesghinka
14 - Godowsky - Java Suite: The gardens of Buitenzorg
15 - Gershwin - 3 Preludes: No.3


Well done! 7 points for Chris.
The Szymanowski and the Nielsen are especially two pieces of fine art.


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....I gave up already. Let me know when you include Fuer Elise. :roll:

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The Szymanowski and the Nielsen are especially two pieces of fine art.

Yep, agree. I am scared to even try and start the Szymanowsky variations but plan to record the Chaconne one day. An absolutely amazing piece ! But the one I love most of these is the Godowsky item. I am madly in love with the Java suite and am currently working on recording some items, including this one.

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....I gave up already. Let me know when you include Fuer Elise.


I'm really sorry you feel the quiz is too difficult. Even if you don't recognize any of the clips, you can always try to identify the composers. The list I provided should give you some clues.


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Yep, agree. I am scared to even try and start the Szymanowsky variations but plan to record the Chaconne one day.


Indeed, those Variations are REALLY tough, but the Chaconne is more easily approachable even if musically complex. Look, I'm about to listen to it one more time today, in the beautiful rendition by Leif Ove Andsnes.


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These are the only ones I know:

A3 - Brahms, Scherzo in E-flat minor, op.4
A13 - Rachmaninov, Prelude op.23 no.9 (Wow! Even faster than Ashkenazy. This piece must be a real, real killer!)

My teachers went crazy last year and assigned the Brahms scherzo to me, just before I quit lessons. I'm still wondering whether I will be able to manage it sometime... :shock: May I ask who the pianist is? It's very different from the Backhaus recording I own.

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I'm really sorry you feel the quiz is too difficult. Even if you don't recognize any of the clips, you can always try to identify the composers. The list I provided should give you some clues.

But it is still quite tough to identify composers like Szymanowsky or Nielsen... :wink:

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A-11 is Scarlatti, but which sonata? I do not know.

B-2, my guess, Rossini.

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A3 - Brahms, Scherzo in E-flat minor, op.4
A13 - Rachmaninov, Prelude op.23 no.9 (Wow! Even faster than Ashkenazy. This piece must be a real, real killer!)


You've just scored 2 points. :)
The pianist is Sun Mei-Ting.

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My teachers went crazy last year and assigned the Brahms scherzo to me, just before I quit lessons.


I understand. I too would have quit, being assigned a task like that. :lol: :wink:

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I'm still wondering whether I will be able to manage it sometime... :shock: May I ask who the pianist is?


Krystian Zimerman.

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But it is still quite tough to identify composers like Szymanowsky or Nielsen... :wink:


I am really surprised that most of the works in Part A haven't been recognized yet. They are all much played pieces. :( Part B is slightly more challenging, but for the sake of playing one can always make random associations. I see no harm in that. We are not at school! :)


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A-11 is Scarlatti, but which sonata? I do not know.


Nope. It's not a Sonata, it's a Menuet. As to the composer: not too far, anyway. :)

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B-2, my guess, Rossini.


Reasonable guess, but it just looks like Rossini. It is by a composer who left Paris a few years before Rossini settled there.


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A-5 - Haydn - Sonata in D major no.33 - 2nd movement - Largo e sostenuto


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A-5 - Haydn - Sonata in D major no.33 - 2nd movement - Largo e sostenuto


Yes, wonderfully played by Grigory Sokolov.


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If A-11 is not Scarlatti, then it must be Sweenlick.

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A11 is Bach, the Minuet from the 4th English Suite.

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A11 is Bach, the Minuet from the 4th English Suite.


Of course!

Juufa72, the list of composers refers only to part B of the quiz. Part A should be (at this point, I repeat "shoud be" trying to convince myself it really is) quite straightforward... :?


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So when is the reveal of the remaining pieces? We should just rename this game to the "Cocobill-Technuet game" :roll: :wink:

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So when is the reveal of the remaining pieces? We should just rename this game to the "Cocobill-Technuet game" :roll: :wink:


Since it seems kinda dead around here :), I reveal the "solutions" [in brackets the spotters]:

A_01. Liszt: Legende nr.2 (Coda)
A_02. Beethoven: Diabelli Variations (Var. XXV)
A_03. Brahms: Scherzo op.4 [spotted by Chaotica]
A_04. Ravel: Le Tombeau de Couperin (Forlane)
A_05. Haydn: Sonata Hob.XVI/37 in D major (Largo e sostenuto) [spotted by Kschyschtoff]
A_06. Schubert: Sonata op.120 in A major (III. Allegro)
A_07. Prokofiev: Romeo and Juliet op.75 nr.3 (Juliet the young girl)
A_08. Mozart: Adagio K.540 in B minor
A_09. Schumann: Papillons op.2 (Introduction)
A_10. Busoni: Carmen-Fantasie (Coda)
A_11. Bach:English Suite in F major (Menuet) [spotted by Techneut]
A_12. Scriabin: Prelude op.11 nr.3
A_13. Rachmaninoff: Prelude op.23 nr.9 [spotted by Chaotica]
A_14. Tschaikovsky: The Seasons op.37b (“August”)
A_15. Shostakovic: Prelude and Fugue in A flat major op.87 nr.17 (Prelude)

B_01. Debussy: Etude IX [spotted by Techneut]
B_02. Gottschalk: Tournament Galop
B_03. Satie: Sonatine Bureaucratique (II mov.)
B_04. Sibelius: Romance op.24 nr.9 [spotted by Techneut]
B_05. Moszkowski: Siciliano op.42 nr.2
B_06. Clementi: Gradus ad Parnassum (Study nr.47)
B_07. Reger: Bach-Variations op.81 (Theme)
B_08. Mendelssohn: Sonata op.106 (Scherzo)
B_09. Rejcha: Fuga op.36 nr.9 (upon a theme by Scarlatti)
B_10. Strauss: StimmungBuilder op.9 nr.5
B_11. Szymanowski: Variations op.10 (Var. VIII - Marcia Funebre) [spotted by Techneut]
B_12. Nielsen: Chaconne op.32 [spotted by Techneut]
B_13. Lyapunov: Etude d'execution transcendante op.11 nr.10 [spotted by Techneut]
B_14. Godowsky: Java Suite (Gardens of Buitenzorg) [spotted by Techneut]
B_15. Gershwin: Preludio nr.3 from 3 Preludes [spotted by Techneut]

Part C will remain the "unsolved pianosociety mistery"... 8) :wink:

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And Chris wins by K.O.T.

Dammit, not me again !
I did not want to win this round, that's why I refrained from guessing the A series. I had them all straight away except nr.5. Perhaps someone else can have a go now ? If there's stitt interest in the game, that is - it seems to have waned all of a sudden.

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Dammit, not me again !
I did not want to win this round, that's why I refrained from guessing the A series. I had them all straight away except nr.5. Perhaps someone else can have a go now ? If there's stitt interest in the game, that is - it seems to have waned all of a sudden.


Yes, I suspected you didn't mean to win again. :) Next time, play last! :lol:


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I can dig up some recordings if you want me to?

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I can dig up some recordings if you want me to?

Yeah, your turn if you want. Just don't put in Fur Elise, the Raindrop Prelude and the Alla Turca :P

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Alright then, it is my turn to see if the apprentice can stump the master(s). 8)


I won't make it too hard and I won't have Mednter on it.

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Ok here is my version of the game. It should not be too hard.

Clues:

There are no repeats
All are relatively famous composers, but 4 are not as famous as the other 11
There is one Song transcription
There is one composition which you can dance to, and it is dedicated to a woman
One Composer is the creator of a particular piano composition style


Possible Composers:

Granados, Grieg, Brahms, Bizet, Chopin, Dussek, Dvorak, Liszt, Mozart, Satie, Brahms, Haydn, JS Bach, CPE Bach, Rachmaninov, Scarlatti, Tausig, Muffat, Scharwenka, Field, Clementi, Janacek, Milhaud, Saint-Saens, Smentana, Troyer, Bartok, C.M v. Weber


2 points to correctly guess composer / work
1 point to correctly guess composer
.5 point to correctly guess piano composition format (e.g. "sonata" or "dance" or "waltz" or "ballade" etc.)


That should help make the game more competitve :D

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Part Two:

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This is every bit as difficult as any of the previous games... But I guess either you know a piece, or you don't. I could only identify 6 of them with certainty.
Particularly puzzled by #14 which I'm sure I have heard before and even played in the dim past.
Sounds like Rimsky-Korsakov or Borodin or early Scriabin but I can't work out what it is.

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I know two things for sure.
1. I will never win this game.
2. #5 is Granados - Danza de la Rosa - which I only knew because I recorded it recently. A month ago, I wouldn't have even known this, so thanks for a token 'easy one for me'. And I've played #3 a hundred times but can't for the life of me remember the name.

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3 - Chopin, Mazurka (Notre Temps, no.2)
8 - Field, Nocturne no.2


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8. Kschyschtoff beat me to it.
13. J. S. Bach - WTC Book 2, Prelude in G major

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3 - Chopin, Mazurka (Notre Temps,

Oh yeah. I'm glad you got this. It's been bugging me all morning.

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#1
#2
#3 is NOT Notre Temps, but it is Chopin. 1 point for Kschyschtoff
#4
#5 is Granadas Danza de la Rosa. 2 points for Pianolady
#6
#7
#8 is John Field Nocturne #2 in C minor. 2 points for Kschyschtoff
#9
#10
#11
#12
#13 J. S. Bach - WTC Book 2, Prelude in G major. 2 points for Choatica
#14 is not Borodin, Rimsky-Korsokov, or Scriabin
#15


Score Board:
3 points - Kschyschtoff
2 points - PianoLady
2 points - Choatica

New Clues:
#1: Transcribed by a Hungarian, Song by an Austrian 100 years before the Hungarian.
#2: This composer wrote many pieces, but hardly any of them are easy to play.
#3: It is Chopin, but it is not Notre Temps, very close.
#4: This Classical composer wrote more of this single type of piano composition than Chopin composed in his life time.
#5: ---Guessed-----
#6: His last name is similar to an Orange fruit's "little sibling"
#7: Fjords are beautiful
#8: ---Guessed----
#9: A frenchman, but not Ravel or Debussy.
#10: A German wishing he was Hungarian (just for these dances)
#11: An Organist, last name closely spelled like "Muffian"
#12: A Polish man, who has a brother named Philip, both were composers during the very late 1800s.
#13: ---Guessed----
#14: Another Pole, moved to Berlin, died at the age of 29. Wrote about a Ghostship in Ballade form.
#15: Surprise!....symphony.


All the composers were given. You can earn 1 point for simply guessing the composer, or .5 point for guessing the type of piano music. OR both for 1.5 points.

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Yippee, I have another chance! #3 is the Mazurka No. 50 in a-minor.

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Haydn wrote the Surprise Symphony. Is he the composer on #15?

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Is #10 Brahms?

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4: Scarlatti - Sonata L.369 in D major (had some trouble finding the number, my Peters score does not have any :x )
6: Lemoine, as per your hint. I thought it was Haydn, though....
7: Grieg - Aus dem Volksleben Op.19 - No.1 On the mountains
10: Brahms - Hungarian Dance #7
12: Xaver Scharwenka, as per your hint. No idea what it is though (was this supposed to be easy ???)
14: Tausig, as per your hint. But still no idea what it is. Dammit, I know this ... and yet it's not in my only Tausig book.

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Location: Obamanation, unfortunately...
#1 is Liszt. 1 point for Kschyschtoff.
#2 ----
#3 is Chopin's Mazurka "a Emile Gaillard" in A minor. 2 points for Pianolady
#4 is Scarlatti Sonata K.145 /L.369. 2 points for Techneut
#5 is Granadas Danza de la Rosa. 2 points for Pianolady
#6 is NOT Lemoine
#7 is Grieg Fjellslatt (In the Mountains) from Humoresques op.19 no.1. 2 points for Techneut
#8 is John Field Nocturne #2 in C minor. 2 points for Kschyschtoff
#9 ----
#10 is Brahms Hungarian Dance #7. 2 points for Techneut. 1 point for Pianolady
#11 ----
#12 is Xavier Scharwenka. 1 point for Techneut
#13 J. S. Bach - WTC Book 2, Prelude in G major. 2 points for Choatica
#14 is Tausig. 1 point for Techneut
#15 is Haydn. 1 point for Pianolady


Score Board:
8 points - Techneut
6 points - PianoLady
4 points - Kschyschtoff
2 points - Choatica

New Clues:
#1: from Mozart's Requiem K.626, but it was transcribed by the Hungarian. Recording can be found on Naxos.com
#2: A Russian with large digits + John Field's creation
#3: ---Guessed---
#4: ---Guessed---
#5: ---Guessed---
#6: Ms. Monica recorded a complete set of "minitures". Except this "grander" piece's title shares Mozart's "Turkish" theme.
#7: ---Guessed---
#8: ---Guessed----
#9: ---Satire looks like this Frenchman's last name. the word "gives" is literally in the title, but no need to translate from French to English.
#10: ---Guessed---
#11: An Organist, last name closely spelled like "Muffin". This Christmas piece is in G-Major.
#12: Scharwenka's "musical joke" from his first opus.
#13: ---Guessed----
#14: It is Tausig. What is french for "study"? I also linked the same piece for PJF's repitoire in the forum.
#15: It is Haydn. Think "fast" think "trio" think "in D"


I think Pianolady can win this, she is the dark horse. All you need to do is start guessing piano composers and you can beat Techneut (as odd as that may seem, he is, afterall, only human :wink: )

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