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This is a re-recording of one my earlier Mompou recordings. It's the Cancion y Danza no.6, which is I think the shortest of the set. My first version was quite sluggish; I'm so embarrassed by it. Like all the other Cancion y Danzas, the Cancion part is slow followed by the much livelier Danza part. I like this one a lot because it's very uplifting at the end (something I needed after playing a lot from Musica Callada....)

Mompou - Cancion y Danza No. 6

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Hi Monica,
Thanks for sharing this nice piece. I cannot comment it very deeply, since I know little Mompou (but your rendition gives me the desire of knowing more about the man and the musician). I think you succeed in playing the piece with quite a catalan nature ! I just wonder wether the end should be more decresc. and vanishing (but I don't have the score...).

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Hi Francois,
Thanks for listening. Mompou's Cancion y Danzas are really great...I love them!

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Can't remember the original, Monica, but this one's certainly fine. Your Mompou is becoming one of your signatures.

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Thank you, Stu. If I am improving, it's due to my hanging around here so much. :)
But the bad thing is that I cringe upon listening to many of my older recordings; my re-do list is growing and growing...

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Hi Monica,

Your playing in this rendition certainly sounds convincing to me. The second section becomes very energetic. It must be challenging to play, especially getting those Spanish rhythms just right. A marvelous performance!

I hear you on your "re-do" list. I'm engaged in that right now. I learned a number of Rachmaninoff preludes and made analog recordings back in the 1980s. Now I'm relearning and digitally rerecording them. It's a lot of work but well worth the effort.

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Thank you for listening/commenting, David. This is a cute one - I really like the feel of the Dance section. I'm glad it came out okay.

Regarding re-dos....I wish I had got a lot of my recordings right the first time. But at least it does seem to be easier to re-learn them than it was the first time. And most of my re-dos are pieces I still like. Actually, just last night I was sitting at my piano and wondered about what to play next. I have a couple things on my piano right now that I'm working on, but after I'm done with those, I have no clue what to look at. I've never really felt like this before. I can help other people pick out pieces but for reason I'm having trouble deciding on pieces for myself. Maybe I just need to take a break from piano; I dunno...

Also, I wonder what the next 'new' way of recording will be. Like how we went from analog to digital - from tape cassettes to CD's.. What does the future hold for our ways of recording? Maybe our pianos can have a built-in recorder or something....(I'm rambling)....

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Hi Monica,

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I have a couple things on my piano right now that I'm working on, but after I'm done with those, I have no clue what to look at. I've never really felt like this before. I can help other people pick out pieces but for reason I'm having trouble deciding on pieces for myself.


That strikes a responsive chord with me. I explored several paths laid down by the Russian late romantics. But after I completed my Scriabin project, I wasn't really sure what I should play next. It seemed so odd, as it was always like I had a map in front of me. That's what gave me the idea to revisit Rachmaninoff and to relearn and rerecord those pieces digitally. When I did the first one, the Prelude in F# minor, I didn't know if the idea would work for me, as I've never been a "full circle" person who likes to go back and do things I've done before. But after posting that piece and now the G flat prelude, I see it differently and now believe that I'm using my time wisely. I also find it intriguing that I find myself not playing those pieces as I did at age 40. Nowadays I'm finding new insights into the music as I labor over them. They are easier to learn again, which saves some time. But occasionally I'll hit one of those really tricky and difficult passages that was a nemesis then, and to some degree is still not comfortable today. But I overcome them, sometimes requiring several recording takes to do it right. So... I guess this is to say that if you feel motivated and satisfied to revisit and redo some of your favorite music, then enjoy doing so. And when you get a recording that really pleases you, it feels like a celebration!

I thought when I bought the Korg MR-1000 1-bit/2.8MHz audio recorder, that I had just bought the future, so was therefore "insured". Nope, the technology didn't catch on elsewhere to the best of my knowledge and did not become the wave of the future. So as the march of progress continues, some time in the future I'll undoubtedly have to rethink the equipment issue all over again, as when I left analog recording.

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Rachfan wrote:
And when you get a recording that really pleases you, it feels like a celebration!

Yes, you're right...I like that! :)

I'm glad you are feeling good about your re-do project. My problem is that I don't currently have anything to be excited about. I've got a Mompou set to complete, and a about three other short pieces I'm working on, but then that's it. I normally have a stack of music I want to play but nothing has piqued my interest lately. I thought I had stumbled upon something the other day but when I printed it out and then played through it, I knew that it didn't keep me interested, so I put it away. Same thing happened the time before that. I don't like this feeling of not being excited about some new music.

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Hi Monica,

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I don't like this feeling of not being excited about some new music.


Same here. I have a stack several inches high. When I start to play through some of the pieces, I get that same "losing interest fast" feeling. Or, I'll encounter some really difficult technical issue and find that I'm put off by it. Yet my enthusiasm for piano in general has not flagged at all. Far from it! So for the time being, practicing these familiar pieces from decades ago gives me a warm feeling about practicing and doing new recordings of them. Once I've done as many of these as I'd like, maybe then I'll get the itch to start exploring unfamiliar territory again. I think, for example, of the Catoire works. It felt wonderful introducing other pianists here to so much fine music they (and I) had never heard before.

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I can't for the life of me decide which direction to go - like what composer, or style, or era, etc.... I too would like the music to be something we don't already have on the site.
Well, perhaps something will click when I get done with my current pieces, which I think will be in about a couple weeks. I really hope so...

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I totally can't understand that. I have exactly the opposite problem - there is so much wonderful music around, I feel like a child in a sweet shop. Thanks to YouTube, and thanks to IMSLP and other free music sites. It helps having a catholic taste I guess.

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techneut wrote:
I totally can't understand that. I have exactly the opposite problem - there is so much wonderful music around, I feel like a child in a sweet shop. Thanks to YouTube, and thanks to IMSLP and other free music sites. It helps having a catholic taste I guess.


Quite right and a lot of the good stuff is the familiar stuff and not only pieces that lurk in dark corners. Of course playing is different from listening and whereas the (say) Moonlight might seem boring, playing it is quite another thing. I find that playing A today and then playing B tomorrow and then returning to A the day after I am always surprised how it has become different, because of the infgluence of B - very often because there were tecnical issues with A which have been ironed out by B.

Another thing, of course, is that even though there is a pile of scorees lying about, there is no time to match!

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richard66 wrote:
Another thing, of course, is that even though there is a pile of scorees lying about, there is no time to match!
Yes, that IS a problem for sure. But not a problem of such magnitude as not being able to find something worthwhile to play :D

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I know there are tons of piano pieces out there that I haven’t played yet, but I usually have enough music picked out to last me months and right now I don’t.

The most fun thing for me is when I hear something new that really grabs me and then I locate the score and discover that we don’t yet have it on our site(that's a biggie!). And to make it better, the piece is part of a set where most of the individual pieces appeal to me. I love when that happens!! I listen to music at my desk at work, and a couple times I’ve heard something new and wanted to learn. That happened yesterday – I heard an impromptu by Massenet that appealed to me, but I can’t find the score. I guess I could go on Youtube to try to find something I like, but I wouldn’t know where to start. I wish I were still taking lessons; my former teacher always steered me into some great music that was new to me.

And now as I sit and think about this, I realize that I never sit down at the piano and play just for myself anymore. I mean, I don’t just sit there and play anything. It’s always music I’m working on. I never go back to formerly-learned pieces unless they need to be re-worked. Is this bad? Am I so bent on producing recordings that I’ve forgotten how to play for just the sheer joy of making nice music? Maybe I’ve been here too long? Maybe I’m burning out? Well, if I can’t decide on what music to play next, then I guess that will force me to take a break from piano. Oh well, time will tell…I still have at least two or three weeks of music to get through.

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I guess I could go on Youtube to try to find something I like, but I wouldn’t know where to start.

But that's the easiest part. Just follow YT's recommendations. It knows pretty much what you taste is after a while. I find this a most fantastic feature. Also, subscribe to any channels you've found something good on. Many of these are gold mines. Lastly, be inquisitive and listen to all and anything you have not heard before, *especially* the names you do not know about. Like yesterday I happened on this awesome piece by Pancho Vladigerov's son: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xepw5ug291Y
This is one of the many channels (fyrexia) holding countless surprises.

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And now as I sit and think about this, I realize that I never sit down at the piano and play just for myself anymore. I mean, I don’t just sit there and play anything. It’s always music I’m working on. I never go back to formerly-learned pieces unless they need to be re-worked. Is this bad? Am I so bent on producing recordings that I’ve forgotten how to play for just the sheer joy of making nice music?
I recognize that. Every now and then I take a break from preparing recordings and just take random books out to revisit things. It is al;ways very refreshing. It is a pitye that a lot of pieces just fade out of your life once recorded, but one can't keep playing everything. The joy of discovering new things amply compensates.

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techneut wrote:
pianolady wrote:
I guess I could go on Youtube to try to find something I like, but I wouldn’t know where to start.

But that's the easiest part. Just follow YT's recommendations. It knows pretty much what you taste is after a while. I find this a most fantastic feature. Also, subscribe to any channels you've found something good on. Many of these are gold mines. Lastly, be inquisitive and listen to all and anything you have not heard before, *especially* the names you do not know about. Like yesterday I happened on this awesome piece by Pancho Vladigerov's son: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xepw5ug291Y
This is one of the many channels (fyrexia) holding countless surprises.
That's very helpful - thank you. I guess I could look at it as like going on a treasure hunt. :)

(I didn't know Vladigerov had a son who is also a composer.)

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techneut wrote:
pianolady wrote:
I guess I could go on Youtube to try to find something I like, but I wouldn’t know where to start.

But that's the easiest part. Just follow YT's recommendations. It knows pretty much what you taste is after a while. I find this a most fantastic feature. Also, subscribe to any channels you've found something good on. Many of these are gold mines. Lastly, be inquisitive and listen to all and anything you have not heard before, *especially* the names you do not know about. Like yesterday I happened on this awesome piece by Pancho Vladigerov's son: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xepw5ug291Y
This is one of the many channels (fyrexia) holding countless surprises.

pianolady wrote:
And now as I sit and think about this, I realize that I never sit down at the piano and play just for myself anymore. I mean, I don’t just sit there and play anything. It’s always music I’m working on. I never go back to formerly-learned pieces unless they need to be re-worked. Is this bad? Am I so bent on producing recordings that I’ve forgotten how to play for just the sheer joy of making nice music?
I recognize that. Every now and then I take a break from preparing recordings and just take random books out to revisit things. It is al;ways very refreshing. It is a pitye that a lot of pieces just fade out of your life once recorded, but one can't keep playing everything. The joy of discovering new things amply compensates.


But surely you have a core repertoire?

In my case I find that, maybe due to tecnical deficiencies, I always have something new to find even in the oldest pieces. I believe it is only now I can actually perform some of the music I first learned 20 years ago. Now, if I tell you my playing of Mozart, Schubert and Beethoven has improved by learning Rautavaara you might raise and eyebrow (or even two or three!), but this is just what has happened. Why? Because I had to work on speed and the speed barrier was broken by Rautavaara, making it now child's play to play any of the fast movements. And, because to speed one cannot rely on reading, I had to develop my memory and confidence (which in turn is brought by through memory and conscious use of fingering), so that I can laugh at the idea of making mistakes because they just do not come - as long as I am concentrated.

I believe many of us here fall into the recording trap, where we no longer perform, but record and once it is recorded, we can forget it. After all, we can always go back to the recording, can we not? We are no longer interested in playing: we want to record and to record what has not been recorded before. These days if one wants Ismagilov, Suk or Ishikagawanapanitupitaminovit this is the place to be, but if you fancy Mozart or Schubert...

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But surely you have a core repertoire?
Sure, I have as much core stuff on the plannning as unknown stuff. It just takes much longer as there is so much to live up to. I keep diligently working on my WTC re-recording for example.

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In my case I find that, maybe due to tecnical deficiencies, I always have something new to find even in the oldest pieces. I believe it is only now I can actually perform some of the music I first learned 20 years ago. Now, if I tell you my playing of Mozart, Schubert and Beethoven has improved by learning Rautavaara you might raise and eyebrow (or even two or three!), but this is just what has happened.
Absolutely, playing modern music hugely increases one's overall abilities and resilience. Personally I can also say that my playing of anything has improved dramatically because of practising lots of Bach.

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I believe many of us here fall into the recording trap, where we no longer perform, but record and once it is recorded, we can forget it. After all, we can always go back to the recording, can we not? We are no longer interested in playing: we want to record and to record what has not been recorded before. These days if one wants Ismagilov, Suk or Ishikagawanapanitupitaminovit this is the place to be, but if you fancy Mozart or Schubert...
An interesting conjecture. I think you are right to a certain extent. Discovering and recording something new for the site, has a definite ring to it, more so than providing the umpteenth version of the Moonlight or Raindrop. But I object to the notion that we are not interested in performing. Every recording is also (or should be) a fine performance, even if has seen some post processing within the limits.
I think our site has a healthy balance of core and specialist repertoire but I would urge everybody to try both.

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I have never raised three eyebrows!(eww gross) :lol:

No, I don’t really have a “core repertoire”. How can I since I’ve made 300, 400, or maybe even 500 recordings? When would I have time to play just a certain amount of pieces in order to maintain them in my fingers? I actually think that’s a little sad, though. I wish I did have a core repertoire. But at the same time, as has been mentioned, we learn more by playing more, so if I had to choose between maintaining a repertoire, or constantly learning new pieces, then I’d choose the latter.

Except now, I seem to be going back and forth regarding whether to find something brand new to explore or if I should take out pieces that I’ve played before and re-learn them. I do understand how you guys say that one can find new aspects about an ‘old’ piece and hence it’s a little like starting fresh and/or working on technique. So I dunno….

And I definitely think that recording is also performing. I still get nervous when I record. True, I’m more nervous in front of a live audience, but at least when you make a mistake in front of people; it’s over and done with. Time marches on and hopefully you’ve played more right notes than wrong, and people will remember the overall music, not just the mistakes. With recording and submitting online, your mistakes can be listened to over and over again….

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techneut wrote:
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But surely you have a core repertoire?
Sure, I have as much core stuff on the plannning as unknown stuff. It just takes much longer as there is so much to live up to. I keep diligently working on my WTC re-recording for example.

richard66 wrote:
In my case I find that, maybe due to tecnical deficiencies, I always have something new to find even in the oldest pieces. I believe it is only now I can actually perform some of the music I first learned 20 years ago. Now, if I tell you my playing of Mozart, Schubert and Beethoven has improved by learning Rautavaara you might raise and eyebrow (or even two or three!), but this is just what has happened.
Absolutely, playing modern music hugely increases one's overall abilities and resilience. Personally I can also say that my playing of anything has improved dramatically because of practising lots of Bach.

richard66 wrote:
I believe many of us here fall into the recording trap, where we no longer perform, but record and once it is recorded, we can forget it. After all, we can always go back to the recording, can we not? We are no longer interested in playing: we want to record and to record what has not been recorded before. These days if one wants Ismagilov, Suk or Ishikagawanapanitupitaminovit this is the place to be, but if you fancy Mozart or Schubert...
An interesting conjecture. I think you are right to a certain extent. Discovering and recording something new for the site, has a definite ring to it, more so than providing the umpteenth version of the Moonlight or Raindrop. But I object to the notion that we are not interested in performing. Every recording is also (or should be) a fine performance, even if has seen some post processing within the limits.
I think our site has a healthy balance of core and specialist repertoire but I would urge everybody to try both.


Bach does a power of good to develop legato and hence not to rely on the pedal. How my Gershwin improved after a Bach Toccata!

Maybe I need to clarify: by performance I did not mean an unedited recording, but playing not for the record alone (for oneself, for friends, at a concert and so on. Perhaps should I say the aim should be not to record but to perform and then maybe record that performance when it is good enough. I surely want to do that to some of the better-known pieces in my repertoire, but they must be so relaxed that not even the presence of a microphone can disturb me.

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I have never raised three eyebrows!(eww gross) :lol:

No, I don’t really have a “core repertoire”. How can I since I’ve made 300, 400, or maybe even 500 recordings? When would I have time to play just a certain amount of pieces in order to maintain them in my fingers? I actually think that’s a little sad, though. I wish I did have a core repertoire. But at the same time, as has been mentioned, we learn more by playing more, so if I had to choose between maintaining a repertoire, or constantly learning new pieces, then I’d choose the latter.

Except now, I seem to be going back and forth regarding whether to find something brand new to explore or if I should take out pieces that I’ve played before and re-learn them. I do understand how you guys say that one can find new aspects about an ‘old’ piece and hence it’s a little like starting fresh and/or working on technique. So I dunno….

And I definitely think that recording is also performing. I still get nervous when I record. True, I’m more nervous in front of a live audience, but at least when you make a mistake in front of people; it’s over and done with. Time marches on and hopefully you’ve played more right notes than wrong, and people will remember the overall music, not just the mistakes. With recording and submitting online, your mistakes can be listened to over and over again….


But it is returning to the repertoire pieces that one realises how one has progressed and that does a power of good to confidence and makes you wonder how that easy passage in that sonata ever made your knees jerk.

But surely once you master a piece it remains with you. Once you learn the Pathetique you do not forget it, even if you do not play it for ten years.

Monca, would you like to record a famous piece that has never been printed, recorded or performed in public? :twisted:

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richard66 wrote:
But surely once you master a piece it remains with you. Once you learn the Pathetique you do not forget it, even if you do not play it for ten years.

I don't agree with this. I've learned the Pathetique many years ago, but I know I couldn't sit down now and play it without spending time on it again. And then there's my hard work on Granados' Goyescas no. 2. I learned it twice and had it memorized good and tight, but I haven't played it since last June and I'm sure I can't remember all of it today. At least I don't think so. Maybe I'll try it tonight.


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Monica, would you like to record a famous piece that has never been printed, recorded or performed in public? :twisted:

Ohhh good....a riddle! Ummmm....if the piece has never been printed, recorded, or performed, then it can't be famous...?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:25 pm 
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Nice playing!

I especially enjoyed the shaping of the lines in the Cancion section, particularly once you really got into it around 0:20.

One little thing about the Danza rhythm -- the second note in the repeating pattern (the first thing in the RH, probably beat 1-and) is often a little early on the beat. It's still a good performance but it would have a more driving feel, more of a groove, if it were steady.

Regarding playing old pieces -- I go back and forth, myself. I get more excited about learning new pieces than reviewing old ones. But my work requires a lot of repertoire and I'm not going to learn 30 new pieces for every dance class and 3 new pieces for every church service, so of necessity I do play a lot of review. I often end up finding that I really enjoy the old pieces though, and some of the pieces that I most love to play are pieces that I learned more than 10 years ago. And some spots that used to be technique nightmares aren't anymore, which makes them easier and more fun.


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pianolady wrote:
richard66 wrote:
But surely once you master a piece it remains with you. Once you learn the Pathetique you do not forget it, even if you do not play it for ten years.

I don't agree with this. I've learned the Pathetique many years ago, but I know I couldn't sit down now and play it without spending time on it again. And then there's my hard work on Granados' Goyescas no. 2. I learned it twice and had it memorized good and tight, but I haven't played it since last June and I'm sure I can't remember all of it today. At least I don't think so. Maybe I'll try it tonight.


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Monica, would you like to record a famous piece that has never been printed, recorded or performed in public? :twisted:

Ohhh good....a riddle! Ummmm....if the piece has never been printed, recorded, or performed, then it can't be famous...?



You think you cannot remember it, but if a piece is learned well, it all comes back in two or three runthroughs and, of course, if the style of the composer is very clear to you, any new piece by the same hand is much easier, as you already know what to expect. I find that careful analysis of a piece before helps in learning it.

Famously unkown! :twisted:

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hreichgott wrote:
Regarding playing old pieces -- I go back and forth, myself. I get more excited about learning new pieces than reviewing old ones. But my work requires a lot of repertoire and I'm not going to learn 30 new pieces for every dance class and 3 new pieces for every church service, so of necessity I do play a lot of review. I often end up finding that I really enjoy the old pieces though, and some of the pieces that I most love to play are pieces that I learned more than 10 years ago. And some spots that used to be technique nightmares aren't anymore, which makes them easier and more fun.


Just as any full-time musician! How many of them have a set number of pieces in their repertoire and only now and then learn a new one.

It is the same here regarding old pieces, as long, of course, that I enjoyed them to start with and did n ot learn them because of a course syllabus.

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hreichgott wrote:
Nice playing!

I especially enjoyed the shaping of the lines in the Cancion section, particularly once you really got into it around 0:20.

One little thing about the Danza rhythm -- the second note in the repeating pattern (the first thing in the RH, probably beat 1-and) is often a little early on the beat. It's still a good performance but it would have a more driving feel, more of a groove, if it were steady.

Thank you for listening, Heather. And I'm happy you said what you said about the beat. Mompou can be quite quirky (two q words in a row... :) ). I've been listening to him play his own music for a while now and he takes a lot of liberties with the beat. A lot of pushing and pulling, or one hand coming down before the other hand, etc. Maybe some of that is rubbing off on me...(I hope).

Regarding music: I just heard some Grieg lyric pieces on the radio and it's made me want to get back to Grieg. The pieces aren't new to our site, but we don't have many versions, and I've never played any from this particular book before, so I'm feeling a little happy again - at least for a little while.... :)

@Richard - I'll try my Goyescas tonight....

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Very enjoyable recording - nice contrast between the melancholy of the first section and the lively dance following. I don't know the piece, but nothing jumps out as incongruous or problematic, and the playing comes across as precise and with conviction.

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No, I don’t really have a “core repertoire”. How can I since I’ve made 300, 400, or maybe even 500 recordings? When would I have time to play just a certain amount of pieces in order to maintain them in my fingers?


I'm not sure you really have to keep playing and maintaining pieces that would be considered "core repertoire". I've played a lot of piano music in my life (maybe not as much as you or Chris, but practically all the Beethoven sonatas, for example): while I wouldn't consider much of what I've learnt to be either polished or ready, if hypothetically somebody said to me "you can play at venue x next week" immodest though it may seem, I would feel confident with certain pieces within my repertoire, even though I've not practiced them for months, in some cases years. That's basically because I've spent so much time studying and thinking about them that I have very clearly defined views on interpretation and any technical issues have already been previously surmounted, so re-conquering them is a much simpler matter of reminding my fingers what to do.


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andrew wrote:
Very enjoyable recording - nice contrast between the melancholy of the first section and the lively dance following. I don't know the piece, but nothing jumps out as incongruous or problematic, and the playing comes across as precise and with conviction.

pianolady wrote:
No, I don’t really have a “core repertoire”. How can I since I’ve made 300, 400, or maybe even 500 recordings? When would I have time to play just a certain amount of pieces in order to maintain them in my fingers?


I'm not sure you really have to keep playing and maintaining pieces that would be considered "core repertoire". I've played a lot of piano music in my life (maybe not as much as you or Chris, but practically all the Beethoven sonatas, for example): while I wouldn't consider much of what I've learnt to be either polished or ready, if hypothetically somebody said to me "you can play at venue x next week" immodest though it may seem, I would feel confident with certain pieces within my repertoire, even though I've not practiced them for months, in some cases years. That's basically because I've spent so much time studying and thinking about them that I have very clearly defined views on interpretation and any technical issues have already been previously surmounted, so re-conquering them is a much simpler matter of reminding my fingers what to do.


Just as I said, or hoped I had, but you put it better, Andrew!

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andrew wrote:
Very enjoyable recording - nice contrast between the melancholy of the first section and the lively dance following. I don't know the piece, but nothing jumps out as incongruous or problematic, and the playing comes across as precise and with conviction.

Thank you for listening/commenting, Andrew.


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I'm not sure you really have to keep playing and maintaining pieces that would be considered "core repertoire". I've played a lot of piano music in my life (maybe not as much as you or Chris, but practically all the Beethoven sonatas, for example): while I wouldn't consider much of what I've learnt to be either polished or ready, if hypothetically somebody said to me "you can play at venue x next week" immodest though it may seem, I would feel confident with certain pieces within my repertoire, even though I've not practiced them for months, in some cases years. That's basically because I've spent so much time studying and thinking about them that I have very clearly defined views on interpretation and any technical issues have already been previously surmounted, so re-conquering them is a much simpler matter of reminding my fingers what to do.

I guess I'll just never be that way. I can pull out old material, but I have to practice it HARD again to get into performing condition.

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pianolady wrote:
andrew wrote:
I'm not sure you really have to keep playing and maintaining pieces that would be considered "core repertoire". I've played a lot of piano music in my life (maybe not as much as you or Chris, but practically all the Beethoven sonatas, for example): while I wouldn't consider much of what I've learnt to be either polished or ready, if hypothetically somebody said to me "you can play at venue x next week" immodest though it may seem, I would feel confident with certain pieces within my repertoire, even though I've not practiced them for months, in some cases years. That's basically because I've spent so much time studying and thinking about them that I have very clearly defined views on interpretation and any technical issues have already been previously surmounted, so re-conquering them is a much simpler matter of reminding my fingers what to do.

I guess I'll just never be that way. I can pull out old material, but I have to practice it HARD again to get into performing condition.


Does it perhaps depend on how much work you had to do first time round? I get the impression you're quite meticulous with your preparation (which is a good thing) - I'm usually a bit haphazard. I have some Alkan which I would like to revise, as it's the composer's bicentenary. I put in an enormous amount of work on it first time (even then it wasn't all that great :shock: ) : in no way could I have it ready in a week, nevermind a month. On the other hand, the pieces I've been comfortable with and have played in public maybe a dozen times I'd be absolutely fine with. It's like they are now natural: it's difficult to explain.


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pianolady wrote:
andrew wrote:
Very enjoyable recording - nice contrast between the melancholy of the first section and the lively dance following. I don't know the piece, but nothing jumps out as incongruous or problematic, and the playing comes across as precise and with conviction.

Thank you for listening/commenting, Andrew.


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I'm not sure you really have to keep playing and maintaining pieces that would be considered "core repertoire". I've played a lot of piano music in my life (maybe not as much as you or Chris, but practically all the Beethoven sonatas, for example): while I wouldn't consider much of what I've learnt to be either polished or ready, if hypothetically somebody said to me "you can play at venue x next week" immodest though it may seem, I would feel confident with certain pieces within my repertoire, even though I've not practiced them for months, in some cases years. That's basically because I've spent so much time studying and thinking about them that I have very clearly defined views on interpretation and any technical issues have already been previously surmounted, so re-conquering them is a much simpler matter of reminding my fingers what to do.

I guess I'll just never be that way. I can pull out old material, but I have to practice it HARD again to get into performing condition.


And I was taught that once mastered, any given piece need to be revised now and then, as Andrew says.

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andrew wrote:
Does it perhaps depend on how much work you had to do first time round? I get the impression you're quite meticulous with your preparation (which is a good thing) - I'm usually a bit haphazard. I have some Alkan which I would like to revise, as it's the composer's bicentenary. I put in an enormous amount of work on it first time (even then it wasn't all that great :shock: ) : in no way could I have it ready in a week, nevermind a month. On the other hand, the pieces I've been comfortable with and have played in public maybe a dozen times I'd be absolutely fine with. It's like they are now natural: it's difficult to explain.


Therein lies the crux of my problem: I’m a studio musician...lol

If someone asked me to perform for say...an hour, I do have a pretty good idea what pieces I’d take out and relearn. It wouldn’t be as hard as starting on a piece from scratch. And I do work on pieces meticulously, but once something’s been recorded, I’m on to the next piece. After merely a couple weeks, I don’t remember the former piece at all. Last night I tried to play Granados’ no.2 Goyesca from memory and I couldn’t get past the 2nd bar! Can you believe that?!! I had that piece so well-learned and memorized. I was shocked more than usual. I must be a scatterbrain…

I don’t know why I have this strong urge to keep learning something new. I almost wish I could stop now and just be satisfied with playing my past favorites. Probably then I would have something to call my ‘core repertoire’.

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I've been listening to him play his own music for a while now and he takes a lot of liberties with the beat. A lot of pushing and pulling, or one hand coming down before the other hand, etc.


I take back my comment then. I don't know Mompou well; I just know this type of rhythm from other pieces by other people.

It is true that with review, it takes longer to get the more difficult pieces back in shape. For stuff that needs to be ready in the short term I do go back a couple of difficulty levels :)


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Hi Monica,

Had a listen to this recording. I like your phrasing, and dynamics. It's nice how this music, though starting on a sad note, picks up a jovial theme and ends on a better note :) I haven't really got into the Mompou Cancion y Danza set. This is a nice introduction.

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pianoman342 wrote:
Hi Monica,

Had a listen to this recording. I like your phrasing, and dynamics. It's nice how this music, though starting on a sad note, picks up a jovial theme and ends on a better note :) I haven't really got into the Mompou Cancion y Danza set. This is a nice introduction.

Thanks, Riley. All of the 'Songs and Dances' start with either a sad or tender 'song' followed by a lively dance. The whole set is very nice! I was practicing some Mompou last night (Musical Callada) and was thinking that I'm getting a little Mompou-ed out. But when I think of the Cancions y Danzas, then I perk up again.. :)

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