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 Post subject: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:10 pm 
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Alexander Scriabin composed the Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor in 1903, thus it fits into his middle period literature for the piano. The piece is marked mesto (mournful), and I would characterize it as a lament. It's a piece of great beauty, so I hope you'll enjoy hearing it.

Comments welcome.

David

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Scriabin - Prelude in B flat minor, Op. 37, no. 1 (2:04)

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:18 am 
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Hi David,
I like the sound of this piece and think you play it well. Nice job! :)
However, your tags are all good, but the file name should be:

scriabin-37-1-april

Thank you :)

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:55 am 
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Hi Monica,

OK, I changed the file name to what you wanted, deleted the original recording and added back the recording with the correct file name. I just checked it for sound (having gone through the mp3 conversion twice now) and it seems OK. Please let me know if we're out of the woods on this now. Thanks!

Glad you liked my playing of the prelude. I believe it's one of Scriabin's finest.

David

P.S. If the new tags still don't work, I think I can then fix it by switching the information between the File Name and Title fields, although it's intended to work properly as is.

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:51 pm 
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An intriguing prelude, sounding rather fatalistic. Only comments are that at 0:31 I think you should play the repetition louder, followed by a larger diminuendo (though the later one is very nicely done). Also, at 0:54, perhaps you could bring out the interesting turn in the right hand more. Other than that, I really enjoyed the recording. Great job.


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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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Hi affinity,

Thanks for listening and comment on my recording.

Regarding making the the repetition chords louder, I believe I did it to some extent. That second group of chords though has only tenuto markings with indication of a rising dynamic, so I didn't stray far from the prevailing quietness there. The little diminuendo afterward was of my own making. I saw that the upcoming measure, following the excitement of the earlier accelerando, was marked p, but I didn't want it to be a subito p. My solution therefore was to make the short ritardando marked in the previous measure more calando in peformance. I thought it worked quite well actually. The repetitions over on page two are far more emphatic being marked ff. I believe that these quite similar but separated sections have fine differentiation due to their very different dynamics.

On the matter of the turn, where it's essentially an ornament, I decided to keep it subdued within the melodic line, although it's certainly audible. The turn occurs again in the coda where I made much of it, as Scriabin had marked it espress.

I'm so glad you enjoyed my playing. Thanks!

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:01 pm 
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Hello David,
I've just listened twice your prelude. I did not know it before. Beautiful music, so serious and nostalgic... Thanks for sharing this discovery !

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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Hi Francois,

I was so glad to discover this prelude! I believe it shares the opulence of the other preludes I've posted, but this lament has a ravishing beauty to it, and it's such a powerful piece too, the closing chords sounding like the "closing of the tomb".

Thanks for listening, and I'm happy you enjoyed hearing this piece.

David

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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David - very nice job! I really enjoyed this prelude, although I have not heard it before. I downloaded a score to follow along and have only a few comments...

Overall I thought you were very expressive and executed all the markings very well. It's a bit of an emotional piece isn't it? Mournful indeed, and you pulled this off well.

Opening - very nice sound quality on the opening notes. Gentle.

Bass - I love your careful articulation of the bass notes, especially in measure 10 (around 0:33)! Very nice and light thumb.

Measure 5 (around 0:18), I felt you could have pulled back a bit more - it's marked pp with una corda on my score. I can see the difficulty here, however, as this measure begins quite suddenly and is only a very brief (one measure) transition point in a much longer phrase. Same comment for Measure 13 as well... just my preference of course, and I can certainly hear your dynamics very well.

Measure 9 - IMHO I thought the rubato repetition chords were just right, although Affinity certainly may have different taste. And excellent job with the poco accel!

I really liked this Prelude very much! Thank you for posting.

Matt

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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Hi David,

I had a listen to this Scriabin prelude. I haven't heard it before, this sounds nice. I agree with your assessment, it indeed has the character of a lament. I'm replacing your file with a link. Check to see that it plays ok.

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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Hi Matt,

I'm so glad you enjoyed hearing this music. Yes, this piece was a pleasant surprise to me as well. I had never noticed it before.

Yes, it's certainly a very emotional piece, but those are the best kind. They enable to pianist to play with expressiveness, putting those feelings across the the listener, as well as the pianist revealing some of his own personality in the playing.

Playing the soft, gentle notes was one of the challenges to ensure that the notes all sounded, even where chord voicing was in play. Just a few days before I made the recording, my tech/tuner regulated the key dip along the entire scale. That helped quite a bit.

Concerning the bass notes, like Liadov, Scriabin was a master of polyphony, so oftentimes the left hand is not a mere accompanist, but rather and equal partner such that the melodic and harmonic/supporting lines intertwine producing a rich and extraordinary sound overall.

I did find that poco rit. a bit odd, but should probably have experimented with it more. In my score there's no rit. in measure 13, so I maintained tempo there.

Yes, on the repetition chords--we do know that the earliest influence on Scriabin was Chopin. In countless instances in his scores, Chopin strived for differentiation. Often he didn't want similar measures to sound the same. So, he's change an ornament, or a dynamic, an accent, the the composition of a chord, a bass harmony, etc. Scriabin seemed to have learned that lesson well. In this case the first dynamic is p and both the treble and bass notes are tenuto. In the repetition, the dynamic is ff, the bass notes are no longer tenuto, and the the note pattern has changed as well, and while there was a rit. immediately afterward in the initial instance, the rit. has disappeared in the second iteration. Scriabin wanted differentiation in my opinion.

Thanks for listening and commenting. I'm glad you liked this piece as much as I.

David

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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Hi Riley,

Thanks for listening to my recordings and I'm happy that you enjoyed the piece.

I just tested the play link and it works fine, so thanks for that.

I believe, however, that you haven't yet connected the link to the Scriabin Preludes on the Composers page. That's probably the next step?

Thanks again.

David

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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Riley didn't have to make the connection because it was already there. Just your recording wasn't up on the main site, but it is now. We do things as we are able, David. Please be patient. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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Hi Monica,

Where Riley is helping you out, I assume Chris is away on vacation. So I realize the difficulty in training and tending to on-going workload as well. I didn't mean to rush you or to give that impression. It looks like everything is in working order here now. Riley did great, and I appreciate everything you do here for the members day after day, Monica.

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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Hi David,
Guess you have not seen the announcement regarding Riley joining the team.
And Chris is not on vacation, but is moving a house! :shock: :lol:
Look here: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5330

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 Post subject: Re: Scriabin, Prelude Op. 37, No. 1 in B flat minor
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Hi Monica,

Yes, somehow I missed Chris' announcement. I think Riley will be very good as a moderator. Thanks for the info.

David

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